Dave78 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm super happy capital is doing super good in Ireland. I'm a tad upset that inequality is still on the rise and public services continue to be cut. I did notice a few weeks ago that the Government did promise an increase of public spending in the next 5 years... But I doubt it. We'll revisit this in 5 years and see who's right. Hint: It won't be you I expect the government will use most of the extra money they have from the healthy economy to pay off debt. Now, we can both agree the Irish people should never have been saddled with that debt in the first place, but isn't that a wise move given the circumstances? Or is it just more 'evil' from the capitalists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I expect the government will use most of the extra money they have from the healthy economy to pay off debt. Now, we can both agree the Irish people should never have been saddled with that debt in the first place, but isn't that a wise move given the circumstances? Or is it just more 'evil' from the capitalists? You answered your own question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 I expect the government will use most of the extra money they have from the healthy economy to pay off debt. Now, we can both agree the Irish people should never have been saddled with that debt in the first place, but isn't that a wise move given the circumstances? Or is it just more 'evil' from the capitalists? That sounds like austerity which as a means to improve the economy is a myth or lie depending who you listen to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 That sounds like austerity which as a means to improve the economy is a myth or lie depending who you listen to I read a story about "Dave" yesterday. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/office-worker-excited-about-impending-trickle-down-of-wealth-20150729100588 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 You're a good lad Have a read at this. The challenges facing a fairer society in Britain are just as applicable to an Indy Scotland. http://www.scottishcommunists.org.uk/britain-s-road-to-socialism-road-to-revolution/289-britains-road-to-socialism-2011-edition-pdf Cheers sir Absolutely. We might not have the House of Lords and Westminster but the same crooks and vultures will be an an Indy Scotland as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 On a more serious note...the Irish government announced an end to austerity last year... Then proceeded to implement austerity measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 On a more serious note...the Irish government announced an end to austerity last year... Then proceeded to implement austerity measures. The bloody SNP can't be trusted with anything eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The bloody SNP can't be trusted with anything eh? Derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 That sounds like austerity which as a means to improve the economy is a myth or lie depending who you listen to It's a means of improving the public finances by reducing the debt and therefore the interest the government pays on it each year. Ireland's debt is spectacularly high as you know. Serious question - what would you do about Ireland's debt problems (assuming you can't write it off, something even Syriza was unable to do)? I read a story about "Dave" yesterday. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/office-worker-excited-about-impending-trickle-down-of-wealth-20150729100588 Nothing mythical about the quarter of a million people directly employed by the multinationals over here (mainly thanks to the low corp tax stealing those jobs away from the UK). On a more serious note...the Irish government announced an end to austerity last year... Then proceeded to implement austerity measures. That's certainly over-selling it. The the 'end of austerity' budget you're referring to was the first since the crash that increased public spending. As you rightly say though, there were still austerity measures to kick in (like water charges). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't think I'm the one overselling squire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Derpette? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't think I'm the one overselling squire Sorry, i meant that the Irish government were overselling their budget by proclaiming an 'end to austerity'. I was agreeing with you, in my kak-handed way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Sorry, i meant that the Irish government were overselling their budget by proclaiming an 'end to austerity'. I was agreeing with you, in my kak-handed way Typical Irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Typical Irish Typical uber-leftie... always arguing even with folk they agree with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Typical uber-leftie... always arguing even with folk they agree with! especially with folk they agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 especially with folk they agree with. It's not happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's a means of improving the public finances by reducing the debt and therefore the interest the government pays on it each year. Ireland's debt is spectacularly high as you know. Serious question - what would you do about Ireland's debt problems (assuming you can't write it off, something even Syriza was unable to do)? It's difficult for Ireland because they are part of the eurozone who are obsessed with austerity. If Ireland elected a left wing government with similar policies to Syriza then I wouldn't be surprised to see the eurozone interfear. I don't really know what Ireland can or should do. Steve Keen and Mark Blyth are two economists who argue that austerity doesn't work and will harm recovery and growth and even in some case increase debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just one comment on "the natural left wing position is against independence".... To me, the natural left wing position is strongly in favour of Scottish independence whichis why I bback it 100% and have for many many years. The UK is one of the last bastions of disgusting imperialism ans I have always backed any movement that will help break it up and end it for good I have always supported irish Scottish and welsh independence. And similar movements in other countries such as the basques and catalans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 John McTernan (yes the BBC roll him out again) is on Scotland 2015 with Labour blogger Stephen Low talking about the party's future at 10.30pm Kind of ironic since McTernan has played a prime role in it's downfall Dont know much about Low - maybe Scunnered can advise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 John McTernan (yes the BBC roll him out again) is on Scotland 2015 with Labour blogger Stephen Low talking about the party's future at 10.30pm Kind of ironic since McTernan has played a prime role in it's downfall Dont know much about Low - maybe Scunnered can advise The name didn't ring a bell... So I asked a comrade: Me: Stephen Low? Comrade: Dick! There you have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I was kinda hoping he would be pro Corbyn and on the opposite side of McTernan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I have missed the last few weeks due to work and holidays... just watched Corbyn on Marr and was amazed by how much he seemed to be spouting the common weal of 2012... nothing original but what bothered me was his chit-chat about Marx - what really ? a bit Rik Mayell 1983... not a serious player, was hoping for Syriza, turned out to be SSP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I was kinda hoping he would be pro Corbyn and on the opposite side of McTernan He was ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 nothing original but what bothered me was his chit-chat about Marx - what really ? a bit Rik Mayell 1983... not a serious player, was hoping for Syriza, turned out to be SSP And who instigated that discussion and why do you think they did ? He was clearly taken aback when the question was posed and didnt really know how to answer it suggesting he is not as much as a marxist as the BBC would like to make out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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