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Wc Pot 2 - What Is Needed


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It looks like if we win on Saturday it will be enough to secure pot 2 for the WC draw, however, i thought i would show what other countries we are fighting with to get into pot 2.

If we beat Ireland we will have 861 ranking points, if we draw we will have 774 and if we lose we will have 731.

There are 9 countries in each pot so we need to be in the top 18 (excluding Russia) in UEFA to secure pot 2.

There are 14 teams that we cannot overtake whatever the results are at the weekend - Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, France, Spain, Switzerland, Romania, Italy, England, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia & Wales.

Austria - the only way we can finish above them is if we beat Ireland and they lose to Russia.

Denmark if they lose to Serbia they will be on 761 points, a draw 799, a win 876. It is in Denmark's hands to finish above us.

Greece - they have two games, a qualifier v the Faroes and a friendly v Poland. If they win both the most they can get is 793. So a win v Ireland will guarantee us finishing above them. If they beat Faroes and draw with Poland they can only get 752 points so a draw v Ireland would put us above them.

Bosnia & Herzegovina - If they beat Israel they will be on 819 so again a win v Ireland guarantees us to finish above them. A draw would put them on 720 so even a defeat to Ireland would put us ahead of them if they draw.

Poland - they have two games, a qualifier v Georgia and a friendly v Greece. If they win both then they will be on 818 so again a win v Ireland means we finish above them. If they beat Georgia and draw with Greece then they will be on 769 so again a draw for us v Ireland would be enough to finish above them.

Ukraine - they have a qualifier v Luxembourg. Can't really see any other result than a Ukraine win. That would put them on 791 so only way for us to beat that is a win v Ireland.

Iceland - they play a home game v Czech Republic. If they win then they will be on 877, 1 more point than we can get if we beat Ireland. However, if they draw they will be on 786 so again we would need to win to beat that total. If they lose they will be on 740 so a draw v Ireland would be enough to be above them.

Sweden - they play Montenegro. If they win they will be on 752 so we would need a draw to finish above them. If they draw or lose then we will be above them even with a defeat to Ireland.

Israel - If they beat BiH they will be on 828 so we would need a win to better that. A draw would have them on 689 so a even a defeat to Ireland would have us above them. The best result for us in that game is definately a draw as we would finish above them both even with a defeat v Ireland.

Hungary - They play Finland and a win would put them on 763. Any other result would mean they couldnt finish above us.

Northern Ireland - They play at home to Romania. A win would put them on 838 so we would need to win to stay above them.

Any other result for them would mean they couldnt finish ahead of us.

Serbia play Denmark and a win would put them on 821 so we would need to beat Ireland to better that. Any other result would mean they cant finish above us. The best result for us in this game is definately a draw.

Slovenia - If they beat England they would be on 791, Any other result would mean they cant finish above us.

No one else can finish ahead of us.

So in summary if we win we dont need to worry about anything else we are in pot 2.

If we dont win then these are the results we need to be looking out for.

Debmark v Serbia - It doesnt really matter as whatever the result is 1 of them will finish above us.

Faroes v Greece/ Poland v Greece - Anything other than 2 Greece wins is enough for us as long as we get a point in Ireland.

BiH v Israel - 100% draw would mean we finish above both even with a win.

Poland v Georgia & Greece - Anything other than 2 Poland wins would be good enough for us even with a draw v Ireland

Ukraine v Lux - Anything other than a Ukriane win would be good for us.

Iceland v Czech - A Czech win please

Sweden v Montenegro - Anything other than a Sweden win is good.

Finland v Hungary - Anything other than a Hungary win

NI v Romania - Anything other than a home win.

Slovenia v England - Mon the English (or a draw).

So even if we dont beat Ireland there is still a chance that with some results going our way we could sneak into pot 2.

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Italy also have a chance of being in pot 2.

The nightmare scenario would be we end up in pot 3 and get say the Germans/Netherlands in pot 1 and Italy/France in pot 2.

However, imagine getting pot 2 and then drawing Wales as pot 1 (if they beat Belgium tonight then they are guaranteed pot 1). What a difference!!

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Italy also have a chance of being in pot 2.

The nightmare scenario would be we end up in pot 3 and get say the Germans/Netherlands in pot 1 and Italy/France in pot 2.

However, imagine getting pot 2 and then drawing Wales as pot 1 (if they beat Belgium tonight then they are guaranteed pot 1). What a difference!!

Or we could get pot 3 and get Wales from 1 and Norn Iron from 2!!

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I find it a bit strange that Wales, a country that haven't been in a tournament for 57 years have a

really good chance of being in pot 1, and Iceland who have never qualified, being in pot 2.

Nothing against Wales, who have obviously made big improvements in qualifying results in recent years, and

deserve to move up, but pot 1 after more than half a century of not qualifying?
This happened some years ago when Norway who hadn't qualified for more than 20 years, I think based a lot on
friendly results, were put in pot 1 and finished well down their group.
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points

. Why are friendly games included in seeding?? - Ya cud just play whoever ya like

. Why are we drawing a new group when we haven't finished the old one yet? - Seeding should be taken from a full campaign

Fifa fannying aboot with the baws

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. Why are friendly games included in seeding?? - Ya cud just play whoever ya like

. Why are we drawing a new group when we haven't finished the old one yet? - Seeding should be taken from a full campaign

Fifa fannying aboot with the baws

The 2016 world cup qualifying has already started for many countries. They want to stage the draw for the other confederations together.

You can play anyone in a friendly but the points are dependent on the standard of opposition.

England are not guaranteed pot 1 but are very likely to get it. They fully deserve pot 1.

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