TartanJon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 was it immoral for that same person to buy the council house at a discount taking the house out of social housing stock, then selling it at four times the value to Thomson? The selling of council houses was immoral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I am going to kill this profile. This board used to be a good laugh and there were some intelligent people on here who could argue point with counter point, fact with counter fact then throw in a little joke for light relief. Someone recently pointed out that the board seems to be on the wane.... its no wonder - just in this thread for trying to make the point that buying and selling property is not immoral - maybe an unpopular point right now - but instead of being put right with examples, reason or simply ignored I was subjected to abuse and name calling - "fanny" and "scumbag" etc. When evasive discussions and aggressive personal insults become the norm then people will back away, I guess its the boards lookout if this is what they want. It seems that these days there are a handful of anti-SNP bullies with too much time on their hands. There are a lot of pro-SNP and pro-yes people on here (as you might find anywhere) and the board would benefit from a wider range of views. But a few obsessive anti-SNP heavies waiting on the corner, name calling, closing down debates and resorting to personal insults if anyone says anything remotely in support of the SNP is not balance. Maybe this works both ways but it is still wrong regardless of your position. There is too little discussion, analysis or reasoned debate - posts and questions aimed at sparking debate quickly attract childish insults and name calling within a few minutes of posting - its no wonder people don't want to post. It has become a horrible abusive wee place....... We can add this to the TAMB story, SNP supporters taking out their cyber gun and blowing their brains out cause they can't actively leverage peoples misfortune to make a quick buck without folk pulling them up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 We can add this to the TAMB story, SNP supporters taking out their cyber gun and blowing their brains out cause they can't actively leverage peoples misfortune to make a quick buck without folk pulling them up for it. One more on the list of defunct Tambers? I suppose we will all end up there eventually. One way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Will there be any tolerance of us capitalist pigs in yourself and Parklife's independent Scotland? I've already put hours of work into a business plan for selling Beatles and Bruce Springsteen records from the back of my Trabant. It's be a shame to see that work go to waste. There will be no such thing as intellectual property. You'll be strapped to Sheridan and shot, revived, and shot again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 What was the "asking price"? I think you might be getting mixed up with the eventual selling price. The original sellers couldn't get anywhere near that price. From what I can see, they got no offers at all. I don't know what the asking price was. i don't think that has been reported. You would have thought a half decent journalist could easily find out though. My point isn't so much about the deals themselves, it's the media reporting of the story. Why aren't they going after the real story behind all this instead of just putting a disgruntled couple on the telly? I totally agree about the media.They are what they are and they'll never change. I'm on about the deals because I first hand experience of what can happen.I had two mortgages for 13/14 months and I can tell you that everybody preys on you like a vulture.I was fortunate enough I had some cash and could ride it out but it's a drain financially and emotionally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Be interesting to see how folk react on here when the SNP start fracking. *whistles* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I totally agree about the media.They are what they are and they'll never change. I'm on about the deals because I first hand experience of what can happen.I had two mortgages for 13/14 months and I can tell you that everybody preys on you like a vulture.I was fortunate enough I had some cash and could ride it out but it's a drain financially and emotionally Two mortgages? TWO?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I totally agree about the media.They are what they are and they'll never change. I'm on about the deals because I first hand experience of what can happen.I had two mortgages for 13/14 months and I can tell you that everybody preys on you like a vulture.I was fortunate enough I had some cash and could ride it out but it's a drain financially and emotionally I have no idea what your circumstances were but getting into a situation of having 2 mortgages doesn't seem very sensible unless you can afford to pay them and don't stretch yourself too much. There seems to be an idea these days that folk don't consider themselves successful until they own a house. Seems absolutely mental to me. Folk who have a mortgage don't own their house but a lot of them think they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Be interesting to see how folk react on here when the SNP start fracking. *whistles* I noticed an SNP MSP/MP backtracking and saying he has never said he's against fracking... Even when people were pointing out a tweet written by said trougher in question that said otherwise. Horrible, horrible party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Is buying and selling used cars immoral? the buying and selling isn't the point of contention, it's the methods. So relating it to buying and selling is irrelevant. You're not understanding the debate if you think the process of just buying and selling stuff is the issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 One more on the list of defunct Tambers? I suppose we will all end up there eventually. One way or another Yeah it'll be a crowded purgatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Mind the "SNP position" on here when Jim Fairlie was giving financial advice during the economic meltdown. Certain board members and party affiliates were going in so hard on Fairlie for being wrong about something. I tell you it's a fecking nuisance to remember so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) I noticed an SNP MSP/MP backtracking and saying he has never said he's against fracking... Even when people were pointing out a tweet written by said trougher in question that said otherwise. Horrible, horrible party You are the one coming across as unpleasant, calling folk bastards etc. Not the first time either, once your argument comes under pressure out comes the abuse. Your constant anti snp spamming is really making this board a tedious place to visit. The addition of unmoderated personal abuse just ices the turd. As for you being bullied by the mods that is frankly the most pathetic charge I have ever heard. FFS this whole thread is an example of everything you accuse the SNP of. You might disagree with Uproar but he was being polite and reasonable and all he gets is a pile of shite from you and your fanboys. Edited October 6, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 You are the one coming across as unpleasant, calling folk bastards etc. Not the first time either, once your argument comes under pressure out comes the abuse. Your constant anti snp spamming is really making this board a tedious place to visit. The addition of unmoderated personal abuse just ices the turd. As for you being bullied by the mods that is frankly the most pathetic charge I have ever heard. FFS this whole thread is an example of everything you accuse the SNP of. You might disagree with Uproar but he was being polite and reasonable and all he gets is a pile of shite from you and your fanboys. You're a good chap, but that post is wrong on every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The "bullied" thing isn't pathetic thplinth it was being done anonymously and it's only purpose was to annoy, because of Scunnered's anti-SNP position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 the buying and selling isn't the point of contention, it's the methods. So relating it to buying and selling is irrelevant. You're not understanding the debate if you think the process of just buying and selling stuff is the issue here. Have to admit, i'm failing to understand the difference as well. Property is a commodity, like cars. Property companies like this MP's seem to be the same as outfits like WeBuyAnyCar.com. Is it that she deals in peoples homes that's the problem? Is it because they're different in terms of the owners attachment to them, than say a car? I've never owned my own home (i rent from a private landlord), so maybe that contributes to my lack of understanding here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mee Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Have to admit, i'm failing to understand the difference as well. Property is a commodity, like cars. Property companies like this MP's seem to be the same as outfits like WeBuyAnyCar.com. Is it that she deals in peoples homes that's the problem? Is it because they're different in terms of the owners attachment to them, than say a car? I've never owned my own home (i rent from a private landlord), so maybe that contributes to my lack of understanding here. I think its sad that people don't think morality applies any longer with regard to business. If someone is selling their house to a company for 20-30k less than it is worth on the market the company is taking advantage of the clients naivety or financial stress. It may not be illegal and without doubt some shady folk will fill in that gap in the market but I expect more from a Member of Parliament for the SNP. If the SNP have no morality to them then i will stop voting for them and i would not vote for any other party that thinks this kind of thing is acceptable. There is a chasm between what is "legal" and what is "right". Does anyone think this is acceptable and would they vote for this man? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34331761 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The "bullied" thing isn't pathetic thplinth it was being done anonymously and it's only purpose was to annoy, because of Scunnered's anti-SNP position. As you might have seen I got suspended for saying "Listen Arsehole..." to someone who name checked me a snide post completely out of the blue. Scunnered goes way beyond that and he is back spamming the board ad nauseum the next morning. If that is getting bullied by the mods I wish I was being kunting bullied. Personally I think the mods were/are probably a little bored by the constant anti snp spamming and that was maybe their way of dropping a little hint using humour. The bullying spin being put on that now by several folk would make me want to jack moderating if I were them. It is out of order. In fact the bullying is running the other way it seems, a few folk trying to make something small into something big. The won't be happy until this places shuts shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Anyway it had become intolerable. I've said my piece and I'll let them get back to it. What did you think of the Zapruder doc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Have to admit, i'm failing to understand the difference as well. Property is a commodity, like cars. Property companies like this MP's seem to be the same as outfits like WeBuyAnyCar.com. Is it that she deals in peoples homes that's the problem? Is it because they're different in terms of the owners attachment to them, than say a car? I've never owned my own home (i rent from a private landlord), so maybe that contributes to my lack of understanding here. I don't own a home either. It's the difference between seeing someone struggle mightily and thinking wow they're in dire straits i bet i could get their home off them really cheap and not thinking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Anyway it had become intolerable. I've said my piece and I'll let them get back to it. What did you think of the Zapruder doc? Aye was interesting, i had seen a 6 hour documentary by the same guy who was on the panel. But that was a bit disjointed so that put everything in a decent context. I watched the other one as well. pretty interesting. My mate did his undergraduate in genetics and he mentions it as a very weird virus. Don't blame scunnered for mods playing favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I have no idea what your circumstances were but getting into a situation of having 2 mortgages doesn't seem very sensible unless you can afford to pay them and don't stretch yourself too much. There seems to be an idea these days that folk don't consider themselves successful until they own a house. Seems absolutely mental to me. Folk who have a mortgage don't own their house but a lot of them think they do. My wife's father died of a heart attack and we took on the family home,We had to buy out my wife's sister and brother.We could have sold the family home and stayed put but my wife didn't want to.Not very sensible I grant you but there was 50 years of emotional attachment. TBH the buying wasn't the problem it was the selling. Oh by the way ,I now have a bigger mortgage than I had before for a house my wife grew up in. Who was it that asked if I think the selling of the council house stock was immoral again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Thplinth, Scunnered has asked me to let you know he's just incurred a 14 day suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 around 2008 this was around the same time, when there was self certification mortgages, where people effectively signed a form saying how much they earned (which they didn't ) effectively all people were doing was taking a gamble on someone else paying their mortgage, and house prices increasing, and low interest rates now - they lucked out with the quatitive easing, rather than the interest rate increase, or they would have been well and truly screwed h Self cert yes, 95% BTL, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I noticed an SNP MSP/MP backtracking and saying he has never said he's against fracking... Even when people were pointing out a tweet written by said trougher in question that said otherwise. Horrible, horrible party When they start fracking under ex-council house schemes then the house market will plummet and M&F Solutions can expand their property portfolio into the rental market for a fracktion of the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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