Toepoke Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Watching this on the news now. Potential disaster if this was to happen... http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-31490010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Some Labour MP was saying on the wireless that, with the SNP government wanting 100% of energy supplied by renewables, they want to keep this plant open to supply electricity to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Funk england save jobs for scotland , if they pull out can it be bought and re - commissioned ? Edited February 17, 2015 by fishcumnock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Some Labour MP was saying on the wireless that, with the SNP government wanting 100% of energy supplied by renewables, they want to keep this plant open to supply electricity to England. An expert from Glasgow Uni was on GMS today (sounded very knowledgeable) and said that Longannet provides around 25% or Scotland's power each year. Apparently it's very important as it can provide power on queue (I.e. when there's no wind or waves) and take up the slack when renewables can't provide. One interesting point was that Scottish power pay National Grid around £40million per year to connect Longannet to the grid. Which is in start contrast to similar plants in the south east of England, who are actually paid by National Grid to connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 An expert from Glasgow Uni was on GMS today (sounded very knowledgeable) and said that Longannet provides around 25% or Scotland's power each year. Apparently it's very important as it can provide power on queue (I.e. when there's no wind or waves) and take up the slack when renewables can't provide. One interesting point was that Scottish power pay National Grid around £40million per year to connect Longannet to the grid. Which is in start contrast to similar plants in the south east of England, who are actually paid by National Grid to connect. I'm far from an expert on the subject. My old mans work supplies it's own power with it's own Biomass power plant which generates power from their own waste (the companies waste, not feces), any excess is released to the grid. They're also subsidised by Scottish Power for being on the grid. Last time I spoke with him about it they were supplying the majority of Ayrshires power needs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The grid should be nationalised and run for the good of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The grid should be nationalised and run for the good of the country. That's what the guy on GMS said. Said it was privatised by Thatcher and National Grids only responsibility is to their shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm far from an expert on the subject. My old mans work supplies it's own power with it's own Biomass power plant which generates power from their own waste (the companies waste, not feces), any excess is released to the grid. They're also subsidised by Scottish Power for being on the grid. Last time I spoke with him about it they were supplying the majority of Ayrshires power needs, Is that the one in Girvin by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Is that the one in Girvin by any chance? It's in Irvine at the Caledonian paper mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 An expert from Glasgow Uni was on GMS today (sounded very knowledgeable) and said that Longannet provides around 25% or Scotland's power each year. Apparently it's very important as it can provide power on queue (I.e. when there's no wind or waves) and take up the slack when renewables can't provide. One interesting point was that Scottish power pay National Grid around £40million per year to connect Longannet to the grid. Which is in start contrast to similar plants in the south east of England, who are actually paid by National Grid to connect. I'm sure i read someplace that they work out transmission costs per mile from from Westminster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm sure i read someplace that they work out transmission costs per mile from from Westminster Simply pooling and sharing resources that's all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm sure i read someplace that they work out transmission costs per mile from from Westminster Which would be fair enough if the seats in the Houses of Parliament were wired up to the grid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 One interesting point was that Scottish power pay National Grid around £40million per year to connect Longannet to the grid. Which is in start contrast to similar plants in the south east of England, who are actually paid by National Grid to connect. On the radio yesterday I kept hearing this figure of £40 million being paid by Scottish Power to keep Longannet connected to the grid, whereas if it was located near London they would probably expect to be paid around £4 million a year instead. But this doesn't seem to be the full story in terms of the finances. Does anyone know if Longannet makes a profit for Scottish Power, even with the £40 million a year charge being levied on them? Or is the plant currently loss making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm sure i read someplace that they work out transmission costs per mile from from Westminster Transmission costs are based on distance to the average population centre in the UK. This works out just north of London due to the high population density down there. If I remember right transmission costs penalise any power producer more than 200 miles from this point. If I also remember rightly, transmission lines generally don't see a degradation in the power supplied until transmission distances hit closer to 500 miles. So the costs to a power supply company can be very obstructive to building new power plants (renewables or not) in remote locations which funnily turns out to be the best place to site power plants. It also means that power companies like to build near population centres (which aren't as good practically for siting) to make more money but also incurs the wrath of NIMBYs. The rules are outdated and a hindrance to the power industry as a whole which will in years to come hurt the general population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It's in Irvine at the Caledonian paper mill. is that what causes the reek in that area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Longannet - do you pronounce the 'g' or not? 2 folk discussing it on radio scotland there - 1 pronouncing the g the other not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 is that what causes the reek in that area? Nah, the water treatment plant is in the same area... It feckin' reeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Renewables provided just 1% of our energy on Boxing Day http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/sturgeon-demands-more-support-for-wind-power-but-confusion-grows-over-sco.119626631 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 The snp energy policy is a disaster waiting to happen imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Closing within a year. Not good news at all http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/longannet-to-close-within-a-year.1427112001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Whitfield Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Closing within a year. Not good news at all http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/longannet-to-close-within-a-year.1427112001 So we were 'better together' after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It was either longannet or Peterhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Unbelievable ..We have to pay to use our own grid system in our own country.Why cant we supply our own energy to our own Scottish grid system,Surely this is the norm in other countries around the world.Oh of course not in the puppet region of Scotland. Reason no 326 for independence.Take over your own grid then nationalise it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I don't think we have heard the end of this yet. They can't allow Longannet to close that early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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