Orraloon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Seriously !! Set up a specific parliament with devolved powers and all the expense of running it when we can just simply have English MP's voting on english matters ? How do you define "english matters". What happens in England affects people in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 See here's the thing. It's an important issue, and the West Lothian question has always needed to be addressed... However Yes товарищs are getting WAY over excited about this, the average electorate member has no idea this is even an issue, and the ones that do won't really care. Active Yes & No campaigners will be swayed on issues of fairness like this and will fight their corner, but that's about all. I've seen people make post after post on this on Social media and their товарищs will like and share, but the average Joe/Bella will scroll past it to get to the latest "When I saw what happened next I couldn't control myself" shite. WTF is awe that pish aboot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) WTF is awe that pish aboot? comrades is c0mr@des Edited July 3, 2015 by Parklife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Can't get my head around why the conservatives are pushing this through as quickly as possible without proper debate or consultation. The way parliament is set up just now, Barnett formula etc I can't see how EVEL will work in practice when as others have said a lot of English only decisions affect the budgets of the devolved parliaments. Is this more of a problem for Scottish Labour MP's? Since SNP don't vote on English only matters. Sometimes I think the torries want to end the Union themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Can't get my head around why the conservatives are pushing this through as quickly as possible without proper debate or consultation. The way parliament is set up just now, Barnett formula etc I can't see how EVEL will work in practice when as others have said a lot of English only decisions affect the budgets of the devolved parliaments. Is this more of a problem for Scottish Labour MP? Since SNP don't vote on English only matters. Sometimes I think the torries want to end the Union themselves. Fixed that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 WTF is awe that pish aboot? The mods are still bullying me due to them being anonymous subhuman filth who enjoy making the forum uncomfortable for users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) WTF is awe that pish aboot? "товарищ" is the Russian word for comradé. Edited July 3, 2015 by Clyde1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The mods are still bullying me due to them being anonymous subhuman filth who enjoy making the forum uncomfortable for users. They should know that you're perfectly capable of making the forum uncomfortable for users without their help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 They should know that you're perfectly capable of making the forum uncomfortable for users without their help. I was of course talking about my discomfort, I hate coming on here now, but don't want to upset my many many friends*. *Much more friends than scummy bullying mods will ever know, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I was of course talking about my discomfort, I hate coming on here now, but don't want to upset my many many friends*. *Much more friends than scummy bullying mods will ever know, that's for sure. You know we all love you really, even the Mods. They're just embarrassed to admit their man-crush! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 You know we all love you really, even the Mods. They're just embarrassed to admit their man-crush! ? I love you dearly... However the mods are bullying whoresons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The mods are still bullying me due to them being anonymous subhuman filth who enjoy making the forum uncomfortable for users. At least Killie has been changed back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 How do you define "english matters". What happens in England affects people in Scotland. The tuition fee vote springs to mind with msp,s voting to keep it free and Scottish mps voting to bring in fees. I have no objection to the Scottish parliament I just think that where it has feck all to do with Scottish constituents which presumably means devolved matters Scottish mps don't get a say. Seems reasonable to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The mods are still bullying me due to them being anonymous subhuman filth who enjoy making the forum uncomfortable for users. Flora will batter them. #save Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Flora will batter them. #save Scunnered Cheers comrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Agreed. it definitley not should become EVBL. It should enable English MP's to vote on matters that affect their constituents and are devolved to N irish, Scottish and Welsh Parliaments and consequently those MP's should have no say on the matter as it does not affect their constituents. As for all MPs being equal, that ended with the various parliaments being put in place this is not the tories doing ! I definitely would not want an English Parliament. it is not needed and in general i perceive more politicians is a bad thing. As for weakening the Union I would think the juries out but we shall see !! Here's another take on it - Q&A from The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nicola-sturgeon-threatens-second-independence-referendum-over-english-votes-for-english-laws-10363476.html Says there will be 3 new grand committees, for E, E&W and EW&NI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 See here's the thing. It's an important issue, and the West Lothian question has always needed to be addressed... However Yes товарищs are getting WAY over excited about this, the average electorate member has no idea this is even an issue, and the ones that do won't really care. Active Yes & No campaigners will be swayed on issues of fairness like this and will fight their corner, but that's about all. I've seen people make post after post on this on Social media and their товарищs will like and share, but the average Joe/Bella will scroll past it to get to the latest "When I saw what happened next I couldn't control myself" shite. That is a bit insulting to the general electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That is a bit insulting to the general electorate. In your opinion. The same people are talking politics while others are as disinterested as ever. In your opinion how many in every hundred people outside of active campaigners care about the outcome of the Scotland bill or EVEL? I'd have an uneducated, although observant estimate of around 4-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) In your opinion. The same people are talking politics while others are as disinterested as ever. In your opinion how many in every hundred people outside of active campaigners care about the outcome of the Scotland bill or EVEL? I'd have an uneducated, although observant estimate of around 4-5. It depends on the circumstances of the question. If you asked people in English about what they thought of the West Lothian question, in an average week since 1999, it may be only single figures would care. If you present the electorate with: do you want Ed Miliband in Alec Salmond's pocket, do you wish to be ruled in part by the SNP, you get a resounding no Edited July 3, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It depends on the circumstances of the question. If you asked people in English about what they thought of the West Lothian question, in an average week since 1999, it may be only single figures would care. If you present the electorate with: do you want Ed Miliband in Alec Salmond's pocket, do you wish to be ruled in part by the SNP, you get a resounding no As with everything in life, it's the spin put on it and the importance the media (mouthpiece of the establishment) put on it. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The tuition fee vote springs to mind with msp,s voting to keep it free and Scottish mps voting to bring in fees. I have no objection to the Scottish parliament I just think that where it has feck all to do with Scottish constituents which presumably means devolved matters Scottish mps don't get a say. Seems reasonable to me . Tuition fees in England affect Scottish folk who might want to study in England (fuk knows why they would want to, but some folk are weird that way). MPs from Scotland have the right to vote in the interests of their constituents. Next example please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 See here's the thing. It's an important issue, and the West Lothian question has always needed to be addressed... See here's the thing, The West Lothian question was first asked about 40 years ago. We have managed perfectly well since then without answering it. The only reason it is being "answered" now is for short term political gain for the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's been in the Tories manifesto since 2001 apparently so they've been wanting to do something about it for awhile, this is there chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Tuition fees in England affect Scottish folk who might want to study in England (fuk knows why they would want to, but some folk are weird that way). MPs from Scotland have the right to vote in the interests of their constituents. Next example please. But tuition fees in Scotland don't affect students in England in precisely the same way? English MPs have the right to set Scottish education policy, then. Perhaps some Scottish students want to study at the best universities in the UK, or top 5 global institutions. Can't think why English students would want to head north, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Perhaps some Scottish students want to study at the best universities in the UK, or top 5 global institutions. Can't think why English students would want to head north, mind. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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