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Think he beat it by about 1.5 k he covered the previous record with about 90 seconds to go.In our terms he rode for 1 hour with a average speed of just on 34 miles an hour.

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Think he beat it by about 1.5 k he covered the previous record with about 90 seconds to go.In our terms he rode for 1 hour with a average speed of just on 34 miles an hour.

I'd say he averaged 54.526km/hr

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Obree "designed" the technique though

There's no doubt Obree is a very, very clever man.

Gary Fisher called him one of the greatest frame designers and builders there's ever been.

Obree's also one of the most underappreciated sportsmen this country has ever produced.

Boardman went further, though.

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There's no doubt Obree is a very, very clever man.

Gary Fisher called him one of the greatest frame designers and builders there's ever been.

Obree's also one of the most underappreciated sportsmen this country has ever produced.

Boardman went further, though.

Boardman did indeed, i was just highlighting Obree as an innovator in cycling. :ok:

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The most impressive thing about this is that they managed to turn it in to a spectator sport! I'm not sure how many the velodrome holds but X thousand people sitting watching someone cycle round in a circle for 60 minutes is quite peculiar!

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How so? Did he get stripped of the record for something?

In the '90's there was huge interest in the hour record, with riders and manufacturers coming up with ever more technical ways of going faster.

All the greats had a go at it - Indurain, Rominger, Moser, and of course Boardman and Obree.

Graeme Obree invented two different tuck positions which meant he beat the record, I'm sure that Rominger or Moser (can't remember which) went so far as to have a blood transfusion the night before his attempt, and Boardman got Lotus involved in the design of his bike.

All of this led to Boardman setting the actual record of 56.375km in '96.

The UCI then decided, in their wisdom, that the positions that Obree invented, and Boardman used, were banned, and then went on standardise what kind of bike was allowed to be used.

This meant that every attempt made on equipment, or in a position, that didn't conform to new rules was no longer to be included in the hour record.

Interest in the hour record was then lost again.

Interest picked up last year when the UCI again farted about with the rules regarding bike set up, and also confirmed the current record at 49.7km.

Jens Voigt had a go at it, as it was his last ever season, and everyone else followed.

Wiggins set the record at 54.5km on Sunday, but he's still short of marks set by Tony Rominger and Chris Boardman.

If Cancellara or Tony Martin have a go at it, they could beat Wiggins.

The real record is Boardman's, though.

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Some other British guy was fairly close and he fecked up his pacings did he not? I was reading obree and he reckoned if Wiggins didn't get it beyond 55km/h it's there for the taking.

Praying Mantis and Superman positions were the names of Obree's innovations.

Incidentally there wasn't a test for EPO in 1996. Something one has always be mindful of. Boardman also dropped his wife off at the hospital when she was in labour with his kid, and went back home to sleep cause he had a race the next day., so i guess he was committed. :-)) :-))

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The most impressive thing about this is that they managed to turn it in to a spectator sport! I'm not sure how many the velodrome holds but X thousand people sitting watching someone cycle round in a circle for 60 minutes is quite peculiar!

4.5k to 5k

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In the '90's there was huge interest in the hour record, with riders and manufacturers coming up with ever more technical ways of going faster.

All the greats had a go at it - Indurain, Rominger, Moser, and of course Boardman and Obree.

Graeme Obree invented two different tuck positions which meant he beat the record, I'm sure that Rominger or Moser (can't remember which) went so far as to have a blood transfusion the night before his attempt, and Boardman got Lotus involved in the design of his bike.

All of this led to Boardman setting the actual record of 56.375km in '96.

The UCI then decided, in their wisdom, that the positions that Obree invented, and Boardman used, were banned, and then went on standardise what kind of bike was allowed to be used.

This meant that every attempt made on equipment, or in a position, that didn't conform to new rules was no longer to be included in the hour record.

Interest in the hour record was then lost again.

Interest picked up last year when the UCI again farted about with the rules regarding bike set up, and also confirmed the current record at 49.7km.

Jens Voigt had a go at it, as it was his last ever season, and everyone else followed.

Wiggins set the record at 54.5km on Sunday, but he's still short of marks set by Tony Rominger and Chris Boardman.

If Cancellara or Tony Martin have a go at it, they could beat Wiggins.

The real record is Boardman's, though.

Was Wiggins position/posture on the bike that different from Obree and Boardman ?

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Just reading the chapter last night in eddy mercks book " half man half bike " where it describes the pain of his effort in Mexico city

It talks about Moser admitting to blood doping in his later record breaking hour

Colnago built Eddys bike ; use of titanium unusual at time ; and drilled lots of holes in frame to lessen weight

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Was Wiggins position/posture on the bike that different from Obree and Boardman ?

Yes, quite dramatically.

Excluding rider performance, which is more mental than physical anyway, going fast on a bike is all about eliminating drag and rolling resistance.

Obree's body is a lot more streamlined in the photo below than Wiggins, meaning less drag. The UCI said it was unnatral and banned it, though.

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Doesn't seem that different to me ?

I thought the main issue at the time was about the mega crouch and handlebars but (to me) Wiggins looks very similar ?

Obree had all the way out: superman pose as shown above, check the difference in angle at the inside elbow. and all the way in "praying mantis" hands right underneath his chest leaning forward, almost no angle. Wiggins is slightly above 90 degrees, wiggins either as close to 180 as can get, or as close to 0.

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Still doesn't look that different for one to be banned and the other ok.

Although we disagree on whether the riding positions are different or not, you've kind of hit on my original point.

Obree's position is not that far out that it needs to be banned and that all distances set by him and Boardman using it shouldn't count towards the record.

It's the same with Boardman's Lotus bike, the thing still had two wheels, a frame, pedals, gears and handlebars, and it looked like a bike. It wasn't as if he'd made an attempt on a recumbant.

As such, no matter how much the UCI mess around with the rules, Chris Boardman still holds the record for travelling farthest on a bike in an hour.

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