Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) The bottom line for the SNP is Independence for Scotland Independence takes precedence over everything else Once Scotland is Independent the party can have as many dissenters within it over other issues as it likes Until then, as teeth grinding as it might seem to some, a united front must be obtained as any infighting can damage the ultimate goal This is why many of us are prepared to overlook some SNP issues as quite frankly badger all else matters until we get what is primary Next year in Holyrood there will be a Yes supporting left coalition to oppose the Scottish Governments Neoliberal and pro business agenda. I'm not expecting them to do well... but by fück am I looking forward to seeing the SNP's tartan socialists justify their backing of their party. Edited April 18, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Scunnered was referring to MPs not MSPs, hence why he didn't mention Carolyn Leckie, Rosie Kane or Tommy Sheridan (although none of those three have been elected MSPs for nearly eight years).He did also concede that there are no socialist parties with any presence in the House of Commons but there are MPs who are personally, in his view, socialists. It did amuse me seeing him mention Leckie... After all it was Leckie who was instrumental to bringing Sheridans Misogyny to light, a charge that Wine Bibbler fiercely defends Sheridans corner on... Because he's married. Edited April 18, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Next year in Holyrood there will be a Yes supporting left coalition to oppose the Scottish Governments Neoliberal and pro business agenda. I'm not expecting them to do well... but by fück am I looking forward to seeing the SNP's tartan socialists justify their backing of their party. And you have a crystal ball which in no way whatsoever can see the party shifting more towards the ideals of it's huge left leaning membership as time goes on ? You'd hate that wouldnt ya ? Edited April 18, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Every day the mask slips a bit further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 You'd hate that wouldnt ya ? No? I'd love that. As I've said numerous times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Every day the mask slips a bit further. What mask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The bottom line for the SNP is Independence for Scotland Independence takes precedence over everything else Once Scotland is Independent the party can have as many dissenters within it over other issues as it likes Until then, as teeth grinding as it might seem to some, a united front must be obtained as any infighting can damage the ultimate goal This is why many of us are prepared to overlook some SNP issues as quite frankly badger all else matters until we get what is primary And you have a crystal ball which in no way whatsoever can see the party shifting more towards the ideals of it's huge left leaning membership as time goes on ? You'd hate that wouldnt ya ? No? I'd love that. As I've said numerous times before. Putting these 3 posts in the one post... As they're fairly important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 What mask? The Alsatian one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The Alsatian one.. It's become increasingly clear that those who claim I'm a Labour plant, or wearing a mask are either: 1. Not paying attention. 2. Remarkably selective in what posts of mine they read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Golly gosh I feel I was being quite reasonable and respectful with you last night, I didn't get the same courtesy... Seemingly for the small sin of thinking someone else won a debate. In what way? I was merely expressing disappointed because I was honestly surprised and a bit astounded that someone I really thought would see Ed for what he is didn't.If people with principles like you don't see it I worry. That's all Edited April 18, 2015 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 In what way? I was merely expressing disappointed because I was honestly surprised and a bit astounded that someone I really thought would see Ed for what he is didn't. If people with principles like you don't see it I worry. That's all I apologise unreservedly for the tone of my post. Seeing it quoted back shows how smarmy it was. There's no excuse. I'm sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 It's become increasingly clear that those who claim I'm a Labour plant, or wearing a mask are either: 1. Not paying attention. 2. Remarkably selective in what posts of mine they read. I shouldn't speak for others but I personally don't think you are a "plant". And would doubt that most other folk do either. You seem to be pretty straight up front Labour. You've told us as much quite a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I shouldn't speak for others but I personally don't think you are a "plant". And would doubt that most other folk do either. You seem to be pretty straight up front Labour. You've told us as much quite a few times. That's a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 That's a lie. Are you trying to tell us you are a "plant"? Sorry my mistake. You are supporting a Labour candidate. I am pretty sure that is what you have told us. If I have mistaken you for somebody else then I apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Are you trying to tell us you are a "plant"? Sorry my mistake. You are supporting a Labour candidate. I am pretty sure that is what you have told us. If I have mistaken you for somebody else then I apologise. I'd support Katy whether she was Labour, SNP or independent. If you feel my support for her makes me Labour. Fill your boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I apologise unreservedly for the tone of my post. Seeing it quoted back shows how smarmy it was. There's no excuse. I'm sorry I don't think you did anything to apologies for but thanks anyway. Think it's all just the frustration that there isn't a real alternative and we all want to do something that will change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Ok... Based on your brothers account I'm conducting spin because she was unfortunately and conveniently heckled at one meeting that I wasn't in attendance. Super I feel it's worth noting that I campaigned against Gibson in 2010 (while I was an SNP member), she ran a dirty campaign then, and she's running one now. Believe it or not, I am not aware of what meetings you do or do not attend. All I did was highlight an account of what happened at a meeting my brother was at. His account was inconsistent with what you had to say about Gibson and heckling - my brother, who as I said is voting Labour had no reason to cite the "away and push your pram" heckling other than to relay what had actually happened. If you say you have never heard this before or say this is only done through "frustration" then that's fine - but the conduct around the campaign in North Ayrshire would seem possibly at least a little different to how you are describing it on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Are you trying to tell us you are a "plant"? Sorry my mistake. You are supporting a Labour candidate. I am pretty sure that is what you have told us. If I have mistaken you for somebody else then I apologise. He's supporting ONE particular Labour candidate as he believes she would be the best MP for his area. I am fairly sure I know him better than you do and I'd be astonished if he wants folk like Alexander, Murphy, Davidson et al returned on 7th May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Supporting any red tory is supporting the union. The red tories have stated that many times before when they have said that the majority of Scots vote for unionist parties, therefore there is a mandate for the status quo, the union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Supporting any red tory is supporting the union. The red tories have stated that many times before when they have said that the majority of Scots vote for unionist parties, therefore there is a mandate for the status quo, the union. You're also a silly sausage."Supporting a Red Torie is supporting the Union" engage your brain ffs Edit: If you separate ALL politics into Unionist v Nationalist you're beyond help. Edited April 19, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't think your a plant , i think you're a little lovely flower ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't think your a plant , i think you're a little lovely flower ! Aw shucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 That is the line they have used after every GE for decades now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 That is the line they have used after every GE for decades now. If you say so, I've never heard it but granted I've only supported independence for a short time. The reduction of Scottish politics to Nationalist v Unionist is abhorrent to me, but such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Supporting any red tory is supporting the union. The red tories have stated that many times before when they have said that the majority of Scots vote for unionist parties, therefore there is a mandate for the status quo, the union. But while we're at, here are my options in my constituency: SNP Labour Tory UKIP Are you suggesting that if I don't vote SNP that I'm a Unionist? Is that what you're getting at? Is that really your logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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