COLT NY Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Also if my geography of the states is correct its easier to get to chicago to galsgow as it is from Los Angeles to dublin as you don't have to cross America as Chicago is on the west coast. Apart from Chicago being thousands of miles from any coast, why would it be easier to get to the West Coast from Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Good luck to him. To much is made of the jetting back and forth. The Americas and Asian federation players do it all the time. He'll be fine and no doubt in a pod/bed. Hope he keeps his form and imagine he'll still be in our squads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Good luck to him. To much is made of the jetting back and forth. The Americas and Asian federation players do it all the time. He'll be fine and no doubt in a pod/bed. Hope he keeps his form and imagine he'll still be in our squads. Exactly I'm sure he can afford the most comfortable option and its not that long a flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Good luck to him. To much is made of the jetting back and forth. The Americas and Asian federation players do it all the time. He'll be fine and no doubt in a pod/bed. Hope he keeps his form and imagine he'll still be in our squads. Aye, it's not like us normal folk, squeezed into DVT inducing seats for 10 hours. First class pod (paid for the SFA) would do me fine! J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't think it's the travelling that's thebiggest problem; its playing in an poor league that is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 That's some assessment when you consider the US pumped us under Levein (okay no great barometer), had a great 2014 WC with some great performances, and although ranked about 20th or so just now were rarely out the 10 for quite a while. All this with a squad mainly made up of MLS players. I wish our league had such a withering assessment. In a country that's as big as Europe you would like to think they could scrape together at least 10- 15 half decent players. From what I've seen though their top league is no better than English Division 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 They have the infrastructure and the population to be amazing. Unfortunately they also have strong competing sports in NFL, Baseball, Basketball and Ice Hockey which the bulk of athletes channel towards. Its a bit like India, they are all cricket daft, despite having one of the biggest populations on the planet. I picked up a great footie magazine when I was in the States before the World Cup that outlined the requirements that a country needs to be good at football. Interestingly poverty and the transition out of poverty was high on the list. they used Brazil as a case point. In the States you don't need to be good at football to get out of "the hood" as there are other opportunities. In the Favela of Rio, its football or crime. I'll see if there is an online article. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 They have the infrastructure and the population to be amazing. Unfortunately they also have strong competing sports in NFL, Baseball, Basketball and Ice Hockey which the bulk of athletes channel towards. Its a bit like India, they are all cricket daft, despite having one of the biggest populations on the planet. I picked up a great footie magazine when I was in the States before the World Cup that outlined the requirements that a country needs to be good at football. Interestingly poverty and the transition out of poverty was high on the list. they used Brazil as a case point. In the States you don't need to be good at football to get out of "the hood" as there are other opportunities. In the Favela of Rio, its football or crime. Me and the wife did a Caribbean cruise few years back, and talking sports with this American holiday maker over a beer every night. Problem is I found its in their DNA almost that they want their sports hard hitting and entertaining.... they want high scoring games and 200mph from start to finish.... guy said he went to MLS game and was a 2-1 score with the winner with 10 minutes to go.... I said "that sounds a pretty entertaining game", but he was like "meh, I would have preferred a 7-8 with the winning goal in the last minute.... just not for me".... impression I got was football is just to soft/tame/sophisticated for them, and most folk are put off because they are scared they pay money for a 0-0 draw or something. If the USA could get football on the same levels as MFL/NBA/NHL etc, they would win every World Cup from now until dooms day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Apart from Chicago being thousands of miles from any coast, why would it be easier to get to the West Coast from Scotland? Its closer to home than Los Angeles, Maloney does not have to cross all of America to get to the atlantic ocean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Chicago to Vegas is 1,747 miles Chicago to Malaysia is 9,190 miles Chicago to Aberdeen is 3,707 miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Chicago to Vegas is 1,747 miles Chicago to Malaysia is 9,190 miles Chicago to Aberdeen is 3,707 miles Even the Proclaimers wouldn't walk that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Me and the wife did a Caribbean cruise few years back, and talking sports with this American holiday maker over a beer every night. Problem is I found its in their DNA almost that they want their sports hard hitting and entertaining.... they want high scoring games and 200mph from start to finish.... guy said he went to MLS game and was a 2-1 score with the winner with 10 minutes to go.... I said "that sounds a pretty entertaining game", but he was like "meh, I would have preferred a 7-8 with the winning goal in the last minute.... just not for me".... impression I got was football is just to soft/tame/sophisticated for them, and most folk are put off because they are scared they pay money for a 0-0 draw or something. If the USA could get football on the same levels as MFL/NBA/NHL etc, they would win every World Cup from now until dooms day. I think the frenetic pace thing is a bit rich. Have you seen how much stop start there is in the NFL? Advert breaks and crossing back to the studio. Compare that with Scotland v Iteland back in November. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I think the frenetic pace thing is a bit rich. Have you seen how much stop start there is in the NFL? Advert breaks and crossing back to the studio. Compare that with Scotland v Iteland back in November. J True, but from what a number of folk have said to me NFL is one of these sports that does not transfer very well onto tv, and to sample it live will get me hooked (remember this isn't showing up, watch the game then home..... folk are camped up outside the full day of the game.... so its not really the sport as such, its more the pre-build up/spectacle that gets you pumped up for the game). This has not caught on with football yet.... though you are starting to get a number of Ultra Groups with teams, so is very slowly getting there. he told me nobody goes to watch NHL matches for the sport, they go just to hope for a fight ) Edited January 30, 2015 by wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 True, but from what a number of folk have said to me NFL is one of these sports that does not transfer very well onto tv, and to sample it live will get me hooked (remember this isn't showing up, watch the game then home..... folk are camped up outside the full day of the game.... so its not really the sport as such, its more the pre-build up/spectacle that gets you pumped up for the game). This has not caught on with football yet.... though you are starting to get a number of Ultra Groups with teams, so is very slowly getting there. he told me nobody goes to watch NHL matches for the sport, they go just to hope for a fight ) That's good to hear, am taking my 6 year old to the NFL games in London in Nov/Oct and I was concerned about the bits Inbetween. He loves a good bit of tackling and big hits so he should be fine. Looking forward to the block party and the tailgates. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 he told me nobody goes to watch NHL matches for the sport, they go just to hope for a fight ) I had this very discussion last night in the boozer. I have been invited to a huge hockey game on Saturday night. It's a local derby. Meant to be packed. They were on about the scrapping. Nobody is going to watch play on the ice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't think it's the travelling that's thebiggest problem; its playing in an poor league that is the problem. Apart from being slower it isn't much worse than the Scottish premiership. I had this very discussion last night in the boozer. I have been invited to a huge hockey game on Saturday night. It's a local derby. Meant to be packed. They were on about the scrapping. Nobody is going to watch play on the ice! Plenty of folk watch hockey for the game. Well Canadians anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Apart from being slower it isn't much worse than the Scottish premiership I'm not sure that helps the argument. How many players based in Scotland get picked for squads? How many outside of Celtic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 MLS isn't very good. Neither is SPL. Basically no issue here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm not sure that helps the argument. How many players based in Scotland get picked for squads? How many outside of Celtic? You said its a poor league my point was its no worse than SPL. If he had moved to Celtic he'd be playing the same level. Not many but that's a problem with Scotland managers not being brave enough. Celtic arent leaps and bounds ahead of anyone in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I had this very discussion last night in the boozer. I have been invited to a huge hockey game on Saturday night. It's a local derby. Meant to be packed. They were on about the scrapping. Nobody is going to watch play on the ice! fighting in hockey is a bit of a sideshow ; guys are punching but with skates on , and normally knackered anyway - am sure at some point it will be ruled out i've been to a few games in Calgary ; maybe 5 over 8 years , so never really got into it but likely still most watchable out of other north american sports was in houston when WC games on ; US v Germany , then Belgium - you get the feeling a lot of them would 'cheer' for a bunch performing seals if had US strips on ; there is obviously a lot of folk there who are well into the game - lot of hispanics typically follow their real country but play nice for their hosts/employers too we sat opposite the Scotland support at Jaxville ; mostly in amongst families ; they are pretty insular nation and know next to sfa about anyone else in world events ; that would usually permeate thru to 'sawker' also huge participation level at younger ages - boys & girls ; both my kids play - i usually coach in the outdoor season very inclusive , but typically folk fall away post college/university you only have to look at college football scene (esp in deep south) / college basketball etc to see whats really in their blood re earlier post re the low scoring ; agree with that also has definitely changed over the years ;but not convinced they will ever fully embrace it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gala Tartan Army (Borders) Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Anyone who has watched a championship game will know it is not a great standard, all about brawn and fitness with a little bit of skill thrown in at times. Maloney will not be playing at any lower level in MLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LADTA-CM Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Good luck to him but no player ever has got better after moving to the MLS. Infact the opposite is much more common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Good luck to him but no player ever has got better after moving to the MLS. Infact the opposite is much more common. Players rarely improve in their mid 30's that's why. the SPL is no higher standard, it's hardly a step up for Maloney going there but it really isn't that big a deal. As long as he's still available and playing well it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Maloney should be back in England just now according to the news over here. Two friendlies lined up against Norwich and QPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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