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Yes, retired but not in disgust, just don't want to go further with it. Very, very, very touchy subject and surprised myself getting involved in the thread. All your fault ya moany barsteward!! What works for me is long drive, usually heading towards Kippen with lots of sing a long music and belt it out, good few sad songs too for a good greet. People really don't recognise the benefit of a good crying jag, not crying for a particular reason, death, loss, pain etc just a good old greet. Cheers me up no end.

Well you had me agreeing with you on the thread, so you can retire knowing you're right.

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Simple maths would dictate, that with a higher number of men in politics, this would lead to most suitable candidates being men.

The worst debate IMO was Salmond v Lamont, it pretty much ended up in a shouting match.

You are really not getting this - we need to make sure there are NOT more men in politics. We need to get away from accepting there are things men do and things women do and ask why then do something about it. Equally so it we are attracting women to do things but they are still not meeting the stands we need to figure out why and address it because it is not because women are not capable.

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You are really not getting this - we need to make sure there are NOT more men in politics. We need to get away from accepting there are things men do and things women do and ask why then do something about it. Equally so it we are attracting women to do things but they are still not meeting the stands we need to figure out why and address it because it is not because women are not capable.

I think there are fundamental differences between young boys and girls as you can observe in young siblings. It is not universal but generally it is true.

Also I think even women are increasingly rejecting this feminist vision. 'Being men' is not that great it turns out.

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I think there are fundamental differences between young boys and girls as you can observe in young siblings. It is not universal but generally it is true.

Differences are good it means you can bring more to the table it doesn't mean you shouldn't be at the table

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To be fair going for 50/50 is statistically ignorant, as there will be sways in gender when finding the competent people for a job. Saying there isn't a problem is statistically ignorant as well. You only need look at how women dress to see it's a man's world.

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To be fair going for 50/50 is statistically ignorant, as there will be sways in gender when finding the competent people for a job. Saying there isn't a problem is statistically ignorant as well. You only need look at how women dress to see it's a man's world.

I wouldn't be necessarily looking for that but there is clearly something amiss.

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The huge gap in pay, let alone employment tells you that.

I know it is just a shame people are even arguing over this issue. I stupidly thought my first post would simply have resulted in people going "yeah isn't it great" I am actually quite taken aback that this wasn't the case.

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I know it is just a shame people are even arguing over this issue. I stupidly thought my first post would simply have resulted in people going "yeah isn't it great" I am actually quite taken aback that this wasn't the case.

Ignorance will have one arguing all sorts of things. I've been in work places where woman were regarded as keeping a man out of a job if they were employed.

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I know it is just a shame people are even arguing over this issue. I stupidly thought my first post would simply have resulted in people going "yeah isn't it great" I am actually quite taken aback that this wasn't the case.

Maybe it's just that it seems quite normal and not a big deal (which is surely a good thing) ?

I don't think about what sex a person is as to whether or not they are suitable for a job.

Just seemed right she go the job and didn't give it a second thought that she was a "she" (I mean that positively).

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You are really not getting this - we need to make sure there are NOT more men in politics. We need to get away from accepting there are things men do and things women do and ask why then do something about it. Equally so it we are attracting women to do things but they are still not meeting the stands we need to figure out why and address it because it is not because women are not capable.

I fail to see where you can deduce that I want more men in politics?

Lamia, your a clever lass, passionate about issues, why didnt you get into politics, you dont come across as being the wee scared lassie who would be petrified to stand up for herself.

Not once have I said that women are not capable, what I have said is that more women than men will always have different priorities when it comes to their career/family paths, leading to politics being lead by a majority of men. This is a cold hard fact, women have children, not men, is this fair, who knows, maybe we should ask God, but we cant change this.

50/50 is a sexist target. I genuinely wouldnt care less if the front bench was all men, all women, all catholic, all muslim, all straight or gay. As long as the best people make it, Im fine with that.

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The huge gap in pay, let alone employment tells you that.

As I said, pay is a far bigger issue than the ratio IMO. This is most definitely sexist.

I know it is just a shame people are even arguing over this issue. I stupidly thought my first post would simply have resulted in people going "yeah isn't it great" I am actually quite taken aback that this wasn't the case.

Some of us can look past her sex.

Ignorance will have one arguing all sorts of things. I've been in work places where woman were regarded as keeping a man out of a job if they were employed.

Yeah, cool dude.

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To put this in proper physical context I think the fundamental relationship a man has with a woman is akin to the strong nuclear force... while the interaction a man has with other men is like the weak nuclear force. This idea that women are victims of men (and men are not victims of women) is pish. Men and women have always made partnerships. It runs deep as 'Adam & Eve'.

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Maybe it's just that it seems quite normal and not a big deal (which is surely a good thing) ?

I don't think about what sex a person is as to whether or not they are suitable for a job.

Just seemed right she go the job and didn't give it a second thought that she was a "she" (I mean that positively).

Look at the criticism of Ed Milliband on here then look at the criticism of Johan Lamont and what was criticised and you'll notice a difference. There appeared two different metrics to assess them, Lamont was predominately assessed on what she looked like, Milliband on what he said. Two different yard-sticks.

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To put this in proper physical context I think the fundamental relationship a man has with a woman is akin to the strong nuclear force... while the interaction a man has with other men is like the weak nuclear force. This idea that women are victims of men (and men are not victims of women) is pish. Men and women have always made partnerships. It runs deep as 'Adam & Eve'.

Can you pick a civilisation from anytime in 1200's that there were equal partnerships between men and woman as the cultural norm.

Just been reading about the mongols in 1200's including chinese and the muslims when the Khan was spreading across the known world. Marriage but subordination existed then.

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Look at the criticism of Ed Milliband on here then look at the criticism of Johan Lamont and what was criticised and you'll notice a difference. There appeared two different metrics to assess them, Lamont was predominately assessed on what she looked like, Milliband on what he said. Two different yard-sticks.

Not by me.

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Look at the criticism of Ed Milliband on here then look at the criticism of Johan Lamont and what was criticised and you'll notice a difference. There appeared two different metrics to assess them, Lamont was predominately assessed on what she looked like, Milliband on what he said. Two different yard-sticks.

Miliband has been criticised about looking like a cartoon character, looking weird eating a bacon roll, having scary eyes, sniffing someones hair, getting caught in the headlights.

Lamont has been criticised about her BBC income tax interview, her dreadful FMQ performances, her appalling performances on debates.

Lets beat everyone with the same stick.

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Yeah but we're talking about how woman are valued in the work-force, not how woman are valued by Fringo which is probably impeccably.

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I value men and women equally - for better or for worse, not for which sex they happen to be.

That was what I meant towards Lamia's point.

Historically, I know what Lamia means, but to me it wasn't a big deal based on how I perceive people of either sex.

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Can you pick a civilisation from anytime in 1200's that there were equal partnerships between men and woman as the cultural norm.

No. But should sex balance be the aim. If so what about a balance of rich versus poor instead? Or why not a perfect balance between younger and older? Where does this end.

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