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Wonder if Lennon knows just how much debt Bolton are in ? Last I read it was around £160,000,000. They've got no chance of promotion this season anyway.

Thats ridiculous, how does a football club survive in that much debt? Might be a poison chalice for him, because surely with that level of debt, administration is a certainty soon.

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Lennon must be crazy to take the Bolton job. I can only assume he feels it's a win/win. Improve and move up the table and he's a hero, fail and he was joining a sinking ship anyway so no harm done to his reputation. Frankly I don't think even Guardiola or Mourinho could save Bolton just now so good luck to the ginger walloper :ok:

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Pretty sure the majority of the debt is owed to Eddie Davies, who owns the club.

It's debt that still has to be paid off at some point and their parachute payments from the Premier League will stop at either the end of this season or the next. If Bolton go down to League 1 then they are in a lot of trouble. Don't see Bolton returning to the Premier League for a long time.

Can't believe Lennon doesn't just bide his time till the Leicester job becomes available or for when clubs like West Ham or Newcastle are looking for a new manager.

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Pretty sure the majority of the debt is owed to Eddie Davies, who owns the club.

I was go ask if it was something dodgy like that.

Can't believe Lennon doesn't just bide his time till the Leicester job becomes available or for when clubs like West Ham or Newcastle are looking for a new manager.

Leicester job will be a tough act to follow, they are doing well. West ham are starting to pick up results despite how unpopular allardyce is and considering the alleged restraints in place at newcastle (players under a certain age, certain wage cap) can't see any manager in their right mind wanting it.

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How embarrassing for the SFA that the sub-human gets sent to the stand in his first game for things he done nearly every week in Scotland.

More or less embarrassing than using the vernacular of a eugenicists Nazi's or perhaps a slave trafficker trying to justify their act?

Pretty interesting the use of sub-human and when it was used and by whom.

Nazi's used "Untermensch" (sub-human) to describe and give legitimacy to the holocaust.

Slave owners in America, the original constitution had "blacks" labelled as 3/5 human therefore sub-human and could be enslaved en-masse etc.

Stormfront users to describe Jews.

During the Rwanada genocide the Tutsis were designated sub-human (cock-roaches)

Weird seeing a football manager getting dehumanised in the way normally reserved by genocidal bigots who suffer from severe prejudicial issues.

Below is a great book on the subject

"But this is just the latest iteration in a pattern that has unfolded time and again over the course of history. In ancient Chinese, Egyptian and Mesopotamian literature, Smith found repeated references to enemies as subhuman creatures. But it's not as simple as a comparison. "When people dehumanize others, they actually conceive of them as subhuman creatures," says Smith. Only then can the process "liberate aggression and exclude the target of aggression from the moral community."

"When the Nazis described Jews as Untermenschen, or subhumans, they didn't mean it metaphorically, says Smith. "They didn't mean they were like subhumans. They meant they were literally subhuman."

Human beings have long conceived of the universe as a hierarchy of value, says Smith, with God at the top and inert matter at the bottom, and everything else in between. That model of the universe "doesn't make scientific sense," says Smith, but "nonetheless, for some reason, we continue to conceive of the universe in that fashion, and we relegate nonhuman creatures to a lower position" on the scale.

Then, within the human category, there has historically been a hierarchy. In the 18th century, white Europeans — the architects of the theory — "modestly placed themselves at the very pinnacle." The lower edges of the category merged with the apes, according to their thinking."

So "sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans were denizens of the bottom of the human category," when they were even granted human status. Mostly, they were seen as "soulless animals." And that dramatic dehumanization made it possible for great atrocities to take place."

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Anti-Irish Bigotry must be rife in the West Midlands...

Well after the Birmingham pub bombings by the IRA, Irish centers were firebombed. This was back in the 70's though, and it turned out the Birmingham 6 were actually fitted up by the police anyway so i doubt it carried over.

Incidentally as i was saying above i did read this though when i quickly ran to check that birmingham was in the west midlands, is more relevant to my post to scoobydoo

"The negative stereotyping of the Irish began with the Norman propagandist Giraldus Cambrensis also known as Gerald of Wales. He wrote disparagingly of the Irish to justify the Norman invasion of Ireland."

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Less-Than-Human-Enslave-Exterminate/dp/1250003830

amazon link to it if wish to purchase. It's used in instruction not a holiday read it's used for studies, i note a prof at the open university is one of the reviewers, won awards in America too

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“Brute.” “Cockroach.” “Lice.” “Vermin.” People often regard members of their own kind as less than human, and use terms like these for those whom they wish to harm, enslave, or exterminate. Dehumanization has made atrocities like the Holocaust, the genocide in Rwanda, and the slave trade possible. But it isn’t just a relic of the past. We still find it in war, genocide, xenophobia, and racism. Smith shows that it is a dangerous mistake to think of dehumanization as the exclusive preserve of Nazis, communists, terrorists, Jews, Palestinians, or any other monster of the moment. We are all potential dehumanizers, just as we are all potential objects of dehumanization. The problem of dehumanization is everyone’s problem.

Less Than Human is the first book to illuminate precisely how and why we sometimes think of others as subhuman creatures. It draws on a rich mix of history, evolutionary psychology, biology, anthropology, and philosophy to document the pervasiveness of dehumanization, describe its forms, and explain why we so often resort to it. Less Than Human is a powerful and highly original study of the roots of human violence and bigotry, and it as timely as it is relevant.

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