Bristolhibby Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Very surprising. Posturing IMO to get a better deal perhaps? Policy is to build complex warships in the UK. Don't know why we would change this policy? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I warned so many people before the referendum that retribution would be served if we voted No, but even I'm stunned at how blatant this is. This piece of news, for me, gets right to the heart of the independence issue. Before we voted in September we shouldn't have been asking 'will I be richer' or even necessarily 'will Scotland be richer' but 'who is more likely to do the right thing for Scotland'. Before the vote I was certain the answer wasn't Westminster and it is becoming increasingly, glaringly obvious that I was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) An intresting blog, http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/type-26-and-credibility.html?showComment=1415741342208&m=1 Cool your jets guys, from defence news. http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141109/DEFREG01/311090024/Britain-Struggles-Costs-New-Frigates "Peter Roberts, the naval analyst at the Royal United Services Institute, said that with the UK government continuing to place sovereignty at the heart of defense policy, going overseas would be a very difficult option. The MoD would place itself in a difficult position as outsourcing the build of surface combatants outside the UK or using a foreign surface combatant design inside the UK would be a significant step change for the Royal Navy and the government, Roberts said." J Edited November 12, 2014 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Eagle Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 This is yet more clear evidence, as if it's needed, that WM just doesn't give a flip about Scotland For the avoidance of any doubt, I did NOT write "flip"!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Would love to know how the slug that is Ian Davidson feels about this, given he threatened his own constituents (BAE Govan workers) with no further orders in a Yes vote. My utter hatred for the Labour Party grows with revelations like this. The day these kunts are routed into political oblivion cannot come quickly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 This sort of thing doesnt surprise me in the least as the tories and red tories are clowns.They are playing with peoples emotions and livelihoods and i bet it doesnt bother them 1 little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Has anyone stopped for a moment to consider the story is utter bull shit? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Has anyone stopped for a moment to consider the story is utter bull shit? J Most stories in the papers fall into that category! However what it does show yet again is that Scottish votes are irrelevant to the Tory party who feasibly could spin shipbuilding in France as a good deal for the UK taxpayer. Added bonus being that Labour get a good kicking from disgruntled supporters at the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I feel sorry for the 45% but the 55% deserve everything that comes their way. Stupid arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Wish the SNP would stop reacting to headlines, nothing has happened yet, they really should learn to hold fire at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 It was said before the referendum we would lose the first one but win the second.All this helps our cause and will only leave the true quislings to vote no next time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I was thinking about this this morning. If David Cameron had recognised the desire in Scotland for more self government, gone for a devo max vs indy referendum, he'd have got 70% for devo max, given the people what they actually want at this point in time and dealt the nationalists a crushing blow. Instead he only narrowly won by promising an undefined form of extra devo that will inevitably turn out to be a mess, making a rod for the union's back, whilst the nationalists have bounced back reinvigorated, waiting to pounce on his next show of weakness. He might think he's played this cleverly as evidenced by his referendum win, but it seems to me a short term win won through tactics, not strategy, and the strategy is built on foundations of sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 This time them - next time us. Confucius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Wish the SNP would stop reacting to headlines, nothing has happened yet, they really should learn to hold fire at times. That doesn't matter - we were told it wasn't even an option but it is. That is enough to react to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 That doesn't matter - we were told it wasn't even an option but it is. That is enough to react toI know that, you know that but if there's one thing we've learned from the referendum it's this. If the Clyde gets the contract the media will twist the SNP's comments as reactionary scaremongering. Alex Salmond has written to Cameron for an explanation if he dithers at all in his reply then the shit can really start to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 If talks are in deadlock regarding the price of the ships, would one way to unlock them to hint that the MoD may be going elsewhere? Is that not negotiating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Good old Ruth was comedy gold at FMQs. Doesn't even know her masters policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Labour MP: Royal Navy chief should be sacked for suggesting warships may not be builn UK http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/labour-mp-chief-of-britains-naval-staff-should-be-sacked-for-suggesting-royal-nav.1417009501 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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