Ally Bongo Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) The Serbian fan running from the stands and having several boots and punches at the Albanian players leaving the pitch should be enough to get Serbia banned from International football for a couple of years at least - not withstanding their previous misdemeanours. Its whether UEFA have the balls to do it Edited October 15, 2014 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Complete overreaction. Nothing but a little bit of Balkan Banter. Don't think the referee should be allowed another UEFA Qualifier for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Complete overreaction. Nothing but a little bit of Balkan Banter. I hope you are being facetious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faddyisyerdaddy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Them Balkans are proppa nawwty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Completely agree. If you were to follow that example then Serbia, Croatia, Macadonia, Bosnia and Albania should all not be in each other's group due to potential for trouble. If you think the football violence is bad you should see the Basketball violence, a sport they really care about. If you can't behave, then you should be kicked out. And that's the team that objects to playing, not both. Just back in Tirana from Warsaw, and the driver point blank refused to talk about it!!! So WTF happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just back in Tirana from Warsaw, and the driver point blank refused to talk about it!!! So WTF happened? Home game for Serbia - No away fans from Albania allowed for fear of trouble Albanian fan or fans organise a radio controlled drone device to fly over the stadium and then low level across the pitch with an Albanian flag attached Crowd starts to go nuts and then one of the Serbian player grabs the flag and pulls it off the device A few Albanian players take umbrage at this and then it kicks off per the clip above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Home game for Serbia - No away fans from Albania allowed for fear of trouble Not quite true - Albanians given 970 tickets a month or so ago. One week later the Serbians say they want the names of recipients of the tickets, Albanians said not a chance. Serbians closed the border as a result. And the rest as they say................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Just back in Tirana from Warsaw, and the driver point blank refused to talk about it!!! So WTF happened? Not quite true - Albanians given 970 tickets a month or so ago. One week later the Serbians say they want the names of recipients of the tickets, Albanians said not a chance. Serbians closed the border as a result. And the rest as they say................ Seems i fell into your trap of not being 100% au fait with the situation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 UEFA seem more concerned with banners saying they are gay than doing anything about Serbia. What more do they need to do before they are booted out of a competition? Personally I found Serbia to be the most friendly and welcoming place I have visited following Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Personally I found Serbia to be the most friendly and welcoming place I have visited following Scotland. When we (NI)played there in 2011 home fans were banned from attending due to trouble at a previous home game. Initially it was supposed to be completely behind closed doors until the IFA appealed to UEFA that about 300 NI fans had already booked up. UEFA relented and allowed the 300 away fans in! I and a few others in our group cancelled our flights and hotel in Belgrade when they made the original decision and although we were out of pocket UEFA gave us free tickets for the Europa league final that was in Dublin that year. The NI guys that did go had a fantastic time although the security restrictions were completely over the top and unnecessary according to the boys that went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) UEFA have made a rod for their own back with this one - these two should have been kept well apart in the draw due to the tensions over the Kosovo issue, not to mention Serbia's previous in Genoa 2010. Now UEFA have to decide firstly, do they replay Tuesday's fixture and if so, where and under what restrictions, and secondly, how do they guarantee safety at the return game in Elbasan next spring. Both sides (of politicians) are complicit in Tuesday night's events, before, during and after the game. The rhetoric from them since then pretty much assures that these two fixtures cannot take place peacefully. In which case, why bother playing them at all. And as for Michel Platini's comments today about the drone could have potentially carried a bomb - he wants to keep his mouth shut until he's researched what he's talking about. Talk about lighting the blue touchpaper. Edited October 16, 2014 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 UEFA have made a rod for their own back with this one - these two should have been kept well apart in the draw due to the tensions over the Kosovo issue, not to mention Serbia's previous in Genoa 2010. From what I can guess, countries seem to "request" that they be kept apart from other nations, something neither of these done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't really see what Serbia did wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Can we request that we're kept apart from Wales in future draws? Lithuania and Norway too maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't really see what Serbia did wrong. Other than their fans running on to the pitch and lamping the Albanian players with plastic chairs and the likes they're completely blameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Can we request that we're kept apart from Wales in future draws? Lithuania and Norway too maybe? and all the teams in pots 1-4. a selection from pots 5 and 6 would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Not quite true - Albanians given 970 tickets a month or so ago. One week later the Serbians say they want the names of recipients of the tickets, Albanians said not a chance. Serbians closed the border as a result. And the rest as they say................ The Serbs were only willing to allow Albanians in who actually had an Albanian address. The idea was to block the hardliners from Kosovo attending the game. I would say that they were the ones most likely to "kick off" but that's probably only by a very small margin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't really see what Serbia did wrong. Me neither. Should have just let them get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_observer Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/16/serbia-albania-riot-ivan-bogdanov There was a familiar face in Serbia v Albania riot – but why was he there?Ivan Bogdanov is one of Serbia’s most notorious football hooligans who has been jailed for his past offences. But there he was in the stadium on Tuesday, and even on the pitch• Albanian FA claims Serbian police attacked players after riot Serbia’s notorious supporter Ivan Bogdanov was jailed after the riot that stopped a Euro 2012 qualifier in Italy in 2010. Photograph: Giuseppe Cacace/AFP/Getty Images On Tuesday night in Belgrade a football game started, but it did not end. The Euro 2016 qualifier between Serbia and Albania was abandoned in the first half after a drone carrying the insignia of so-called “Greater Albania” descended on to the pitch, sparking a mass brawl including both sets of players, stewards and fans. The scenes were quite remarkable. There were players fighting each other, one of them being hit with a plastic chair by one of numerous supporters who invaded the pitch, flares and various missiles thrown from the stands. And within all that there was one familiar face and to see that face was almost as shocking as the rest of the mayhem. He did not actually do that much, but he certainly caught the attention of the media worldwide. His name is Ivan Bogdanov and he last made the news one October night in 2010, sitting on a fence with a balaclava covering his face, his body covered in tattoos, wire cutter in his hands. That night he was slicing open the fence separating Serbian supporters from their Italian hosts in Genoa’s Stadio Comunale Luigi Ferraris, during another abandoned European qualifier. By far the most striking thing about him was his calmness while doing it. He did not seem to fear the police or care for the consequences, he even kept urging other fans to take part in the violent act, obviously calculated to provoke the game to be stopped. Ivan Bogdanov, left, invades the pitch during the game between Serbia and Albania this week. Photograph: Marko Drobnjakovic/AP Later on we found out that the incident had been prepared long in advance, that Bogdanov and his friends arrived in Genoa three days ahead of the game and that – a few hours before kick-off – they somehow got on to the Serbian team bus and confronted the goalkeeper Vladimir Stojkovic, who moved from Red Star (the club Bogdanov supports) to their bitter rivals Partizan a couple of months earlier. Many theories followed on who was actually behind the incidents and what the real motives were. Serbian ultras, especially those who follow Red Star, are both numerous and well organised but they rarely follow their national team. Even if some of them appear at a game, they are obliged to act as individuals and deny any involvement of their particular firms. On the fence in Genoa, however, Bogdanov was wearing a T-shirt with his firm’s logo, which was quite unusual. Traditional rivalry between the nation’s biggest clubs was quickly abandoned as a motive, in favour of a wider political or crime-related context. Media speculated that both Bogdanov and his friends had been paid to stop the game in Genoa, but could not agree on the exact reason why or who would be behind it. Some of them were looking for connections with right-wing extremists in Serbia, who wanted to prevent the country from joining the EU while others implied that it was another attempt at overthrowing the unpopular Serbian FA president, Tomislav Karadzic. Yet another theory involves a grey area where organised crime and football go side by side, with a former informal football agent being suspected of “protecting his turf”. As it often is in the Balkans, it is highly questionable whether we will ever find out the truth. After the Genoa incident Bogdanov was kept in an Italian prison for several months, before being transferred to Serbia, where another prison term was awaiting him for a separate incident. Nearly two and a half years after the game in Italy he was finally released. In most European countries getting involved in such a high-profile football-related incident would have meant a long stadium ban – probably for life – but things like that just do not happen in Serbia. Bogdanov was back in the stands at the very next game after his release, and a month later he was pictured leading the Red Star supporters during Belgrade’s “Eternal derby”. His exploits in Italy had brought him recognition on the terraces and only three months after his release, he was on TV again. Red Star played Chornomorets Odessa in a Europa League qualifier, and a small riot began in the away stand after a controversial penalty decision. The Ukrainian police quickly managed to get the situation under control, but most of the people watching the game in Serbia could not help but notice Bogdanov was there. “How on earth did he get to Ukraine?” was the most popular comments on one of Serbia’s top websites. And then came the Albania game and there Bogdanov was again. However, this actually felt a little bit different – and if there was one good thing to come out of the awful scenes on Tuesday it was that the Serbian public seemed to turn against him. There was less of the “yes, but they started it” nonsense and more of a condemnation of his presence not only in the stands but on the pitch as well.Serbia v Albania abandoned after drone flying flag sparks brawl and riot.There was a public outcry on Twitter and Facebook with the vast majority of people shocked to see that Bogdanov had been allowed to enter any game at all, and to think that four years after Genoa he would take part in ruining an international game was met with almost unanimous disgust. That is a great step forward for a society having huge difficulties accepting its own problems. It is hoped the media will follow suit. Giving him nicknames such as “Ivan the Terrible” or “The Beast of Genoa” played to his advantage and only increased his reputation among his peers. The man who until that night in Italy had not been a name even among his fellow Red Star supporters turned into a worldwide celebrity, gaining support and admiration from many quarters, even becoming the face of an international ultras movement.Now, however, it is hoped the tide has turned and the Serbian FA and government will act. It will be a long journey but it is a journey best started by dealing with problems such as Ivan Bogdanov. Over to you then, the Serbian FA and government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I see the Romanians are also up in front of UEFA on Thursday after loads of bother at their game against Bulgaria. Doesn't bode well as NI play there next month. Romania have previous and I think they had to play a WC qualifier behind closed doors. Thanks goodness I havent booked anything yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Top of the league clash in Albania tonight (Flamurtari v Skenderbeu). A white dove trailing the real Albanian flag was released before the game. At half time, a drone with the real Albanian flag circled the pitch. A trend has begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Hungary. They played Romania at the weekend. Get a close up to the violence in the stadium... Hooligans are wearing Go Pro cameras now. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=789_1413623241 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Get a close up to the violence in the stadium... Hooligans are wearing Go Pro cameras now. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=789_1413623241 Utter shitebags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Get a close up to the violence in the stadium... Hooligans are wearing Go Pro cameras now. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=789_1413623241 Sums up all that nonsense. It's all posturing and cat and mouse games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin63 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 where was the game played Partizan's stadium in Belgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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