Caledonian Craig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So many ups and downs to come for all 3 teams in this group yet to come There are indeed but one thing I'd say is certain is we will end up on a mimimum of 13 points as we have seven just now and still have to play Gibraltar twice so that gives s a minimum of 13 points and leaves us five points to get from our remaining four games to reach that magic 18 point mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Overthebar Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 There are indeed but one thing I'd say is certain is we will end up on a mimimum of 13 points as we have seven just now and still have to play Gibraltar twice so that gives s a minimum of 13 points and leaves us five points to get from our remaining four games to reach that magic 18 point mark. CC - am i being thick here? I dont get how 18 points is the magic mark. If Ireland beat Poland and Germany and us win as expected on sunday there will be four teams on 10 points at the half-way stage. That would dictate therefore that we could end up with up four teams on 20 points at the end of qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 There are indeed but one thing I'd say is certain is we will end up on a mimimum of 13 points as we have seven just now and still have to play Gibraltar twice so that gives s a minimum of 13 points and leaves us five points to get from our remaining four games to reach that magic 18 point mark. Are you really young? I can only assume you have never seen us struggle against so called weak opposition? Cyprus, Faeroe Islands, Liechtenstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Are you really young? I can only assume you have never seen us struggle against so called weak opposition? Cyprus, Faeroe Islands, Liechtenstein. Your point? If you are honestly crapping yourself about us not beating Gibraltar then you must really think Strachan is doing a rank job. Besides if we can't get six points against them we don't deserve to qualify - simples. So I say again we will finish with a minimum of 13 points in this group or do you think we won't reach that mark? In which case we are already out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTV Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This Gibraltar team are a long way short of Cyprus, Faroe Islands or Liechtenstein at the times we struggled against those teams. And as far as the last two are concerned, this Scotland team is a long way beyond the state of our team at those times as well. I am happy to sign up to Caledonian Craig's "6 points - easy" prediction. We are going to smash Gibraltar to little bits. I have never said that before about any team but I have no doubt or reservation about saying it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Well said CTV. I see no comparison between Cyprus, Liechtenstein and Faroes and Gibraltar. Odd to try to compare those matches when team spirit was rock bottom as was confidence unlike now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Liechtenstein were a pot 5 team when we drew them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) In fairness fellas....CTV is right. GIB are well off the pace of the likes of the faroes, Luxembourg and Cyprus and to a certain extent lichenstein. Cyprus are no longer whipping boys and are dramatically improved over the last 6 years.....same applies to faroes whom i followed closely as former ireland manager brian kerr took over them a few years back and made huge progress with. Cyprus are getting teams into the champions lge these days....apoel nicosia Luxembourg are getting results against the likes of Italy and giving good games against higher ranked opposition in the last cpl of years. GIB are only new in intl football and in a much lower rank to those nations. I appreciate ye not wanting to think of beating them well before the games been played....but as a neutral, i will say...they wont pose ye any problems PLUS....Scotland are a better side now than before! Edited March 26, 2015 by Green_Tide_Rising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 In fairness fellas....CTV is right. GIB are well off the pace of the likes of the faroes, Luxembourg and Cyprus and to a certain extent lichenstein. Cyprus are no longer whipping boys and are dramatically improved over the last 6 years.....same applies to faroes whom i followed closely as former ireland manager brian kerr took over them a few years back and made huge progress with. Luxembourg are getting results against the likes of Italy and giving good games against higher ranked opposition in the last cpl of years. GIB are only new in intl football and in a much lower rank to those nations. I appreciate ye not wanting to think of beating them well before the games been played....but as a neutral, i will say...they wont pose ye any problems Spot on. In any case if we cannot beat a team like Gibraltar we do not deserve to qualify. It really is as simple as that. The person who brought up past struggles against Cyprus, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein seems to conveniently forget that we had, at that time, poor team spirit, very low confidence and managers not up to the job in charge. All so very diifferent to today in every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanatyk Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I have a bad feeling before that game. Mainly because of that stupid dispute here about Błaszczykowski not beeing called up for that game. Journos and former players wanking about it instead of leaving this decission only for manager discretion and asking question about his choices after, not before the end of campaign. It might affect the atmosphere in the team and distract the guys from their preparation. Hopefully is just a feeleing Not having Piszczek in the squad is a bit of a blow also. Other team problems i`m not too worry aboot at the moment. It`s not a "must win" game for us. A draw would be a good score as well. But it`s definitely "must win" for boys in green. Draw is not enough for them, loosing that game could be an end of their qualification hopes (or very close to it). Very important game ahead of both teams and possible "table shaper". Cannae wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Spot on. In any case if we cannot beat a team like Gibraltar we do not deserve to qualify. It really is as simple as that. The person who brought up past struggles against Cyprus, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein seems to conveniently forget that we had, at that time, poor team spirit, very low confidence and managers not up to the job in charge. All so very diifferent to today in every way. Of course you are right that we should take 6 points off Gibraltar but we haven't done it yet. I just don't like young dafties putting the hoodoo on us before a ball is even kicked. We have enough problems scoring goals as it is without tempting fate by predicting big score lines. We don't have a good history of beating weak opposition easily. I just don't think we are genetically programmed to score loads of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't know where you get your ideas from. Young? Nope I an nearly at my half century. Daftie? Why is it daft to expect six points from two games against a newly-formed team whose previous four matches have all ended in thrashings? I would describe it more as being realistic. As for jinxing? Eh? Just because I predict two wins? Many predicted us to beat Ireland (far less certain) and we did so it kind of blows this jinx theory out of the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't know where you get your ideas from. Young? Nope I an nearly at my half century. Daftie? Why is it daft to expect six points from two games against a newly-formed team whose previous four matches have all ended in thrashings? I would describe it more as being realistic. As for jinxing? Eh? Just because I predict two wins? Many predicted us to beat Ireland (far less certain) and we did so it kind of blows this jinx theory out of the window. Nearly half century, on this board that means you are a young daftie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Going back to Orraloon's other point - where did I predict big wins anyway? Sure we have struggled in the past against lesser teams but none of those were lesser than Gibraltar. Also we have had big wins against lesser teams as well so it is not a universal trait of ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Fancy a Poland win. They are probably the most impressive team in the Group to date. I also fancy us to beat them at Hampden and we will draw with ROI away. Should put us in a decent position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton wanderer Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If Germany slip up in Georgia I think we would want a Poland win instead of a draw. This would also have the knock on effect of making Dublin tickets more readily available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjaxed Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If Germany slip up in Georgia I think we would want a Poland win instead of a draw. This would also have the knock on effect of making Dublin tickets more readily available. Not only will Germany not slip up, I have a feeling they'll steam roll their way through the remaining games, and it's as it were. 3 teams fighting for 2nd automatic spot and 1 playoff. For you guys sake, hopefully you banished any Craig Levein effects, cause I see that Georgia game being a banana skin for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Not only will Germany not slip up, I have a feeling they'll steam roll their way through the remaining games, and it's as it were. 3 teams fighting for 2nd automatic spot and 1 playoff. For you guys sake, hopefully you banished any Craig Levein effects, cause I see that Georgia game being a banana skin for you. Georgia may be a banana skin for us but I wouldn't say it would have anything to do with the Craig Levein effect as we are winning games we wouldn't have won under Levein or drawing games we would have lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) If Germany slip up in Georgia I think we would want a Poland win instead of a draw. This would also have the knock on effect of making Dublin tickets more readily available. If Germany were to slip up and I hope they do but can't see it UEFA would be rolling out their favourite refs to ensure every decision goes their way And they qualify. Edited March 27, 2015 by Jagtag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donegal-lad Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Great buzz about for the game on Sunday. Fai have put in some work to help enhance the atmosphere (1st time for everything) and a lot of people are confident we can get the result. We were very poor against Scotland was obvious we were setup to not lose that game and a draw be good result (not opinion of most fans) Poland have several 1st team players out for this game and honestly do fancy us to go out an attack them from the start and take the 3 points (might regret this comment come Sunday night) if we get the 3 points really sets up a massive game in June against Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisEDI Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 this looks like a dead cert for a draw for me or.....a robbie keane rolling back the years winner, walters and long are hopeless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Bit harsh that on long and Walters. Long would make our squad no bother, always found him impressive and great in the air for his height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Bit harsh that on long and Walters. Long would make our squad no bother, always found him impressive and great in the air for his height. I'd also have both Long and also Walters in our squad ! They don't seem to have been put under this weird hex that Steven Fletcher has. Would gladly have Clark, Wilson and Keogh for our defence too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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