Kirk Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I agree Fairbairn. In terms of being a household name, REM started at least 10 years before Pearl Jam and I suspect even longer before the Foo Fighters and (eventually) had far more mainstream commercial success, so I'd say Stipe was far more well known than Grohl or Vedder. Vedder was a big REM fan though and he presented their induction into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. As someone else said though, I guess it depends what you like. I have never been a fan of The Foo Fighters or Pearl Jam (although special mention does go Vedder for his soundtrack to the film Into the Wild which was excellent). I also agree with the other person who said that bands like PJ, Nirvana and FF were not template setting, but to an extent I think REM were. I got into them about 1986 when they were about 6 years into their existence and I'd certainly never heard anything like them before. Also I cannot comment on Grohl, Vedder or Cobain as performers as I've never really seen them, but Stipe was/is an utterly superb performer. I'd like to say that I also like REM they are a cracking band too and Stipe is a great frontman. Into the Wild is a great film and the soundtrack is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I don't know what age you are, and I would say overall that Stipe probably is better known, but my generation who are mid 20s to mid 30s and from my time here and in Canada would definatley know of Vedder before Stipe. Not saying either is better but Vedder to me is a fantastic musician, very very talented and has some solo stuff that is very different to Pearl Jam I'm 38 so not that much older. I was in my mid teens when all 3 bands (REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana) were in their pomp so certainly fully aware of all of them. It could be argued that at one point REM were the biggest band in the world, don't think the same could be said about PJ. REM probably had more of a mainstream appeal (certainly with songs like Shiny Happy People, Losing My Religion, Everybody Hurts) than PJ so this is what would make me think that Stipe would be the more well known out of the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd like to say that I also like REM they are a cracking band too and Stipe is a great frontman. Into the Wild is a great film and the soundtrack is fantastic. I'm 38 so not that much older. I was in my mid teens when all 3 bands (REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana) were in their pomp so certainly fully aware of all of them. It could be argued that at one point REM were the biggest band in the world, don't think the same could be said about PJ. REM probably had more of a mainstream appeal (certainly with songs like Shiny Happy People, Losing My Religion, Everybody Hurts) than PJ so this is what would make me think that Stipe would be the more well known out of the 2. I'm 50 in May so I know best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 REM probably had more of a mainstream appeal (certainly with songs like Shiny Happy People, Losing My Religion, Everybody Hurts) than PJ so this is what would make me think that Stipe would be the more well known out of the 2. I won't attempt to name them Fairbairn, but I reckon REM probably had at least 15-20 UK top 40 hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) I won't attempt to name them Fairbairn, but I reckon REM probably had at least 15-20 UK top 40 hits. You're probably right but those 3 were the most immediate mainstream ones that sprung to mind. Off the top of my head Man on the Moon, Sidewinder, What's the Frequency, E-Bow, End of the World, One I Love, Orange Crush, The Great Beyond would all have been top 40. *Edit - a quick Google indicates that they had a pretty impressive 32 top 40 singles between 1987 and 2010. Edited January 20, 2016 by Fairbairn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I've never even heard of this Vedder geezer. He is deeply annoying - a very distinct singing style that grates like fukk. Really deeply annoying. He is the main reason I loathe Pearl Jam, that and the music. Nirvana only did one thing wrong versus Pearl Jam and that was the front man's wife having him topped. If that had not happened there would be no comparison today in terms of achievements. (For some reason Vedder reminds of that other khunt who fronts the Killers. Same wee annoying nyaffness about them.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He is deeply annoying - a very distinct singing style that grates like fukk. Really deeply annoying. He is the main reason I loathe Pearl Jam, that and the music. Nirvana only did one thing wrong versus Pearl Jam and that was the front man's wife having him topped. If that had not happened there would be no comparison today in terms of achievements. (For some reason Vedder reminds of that other khunt who fronts the Killers. Same wee annoying nyaffness about them.) Yes Thplinth, but are you a fan of Vedder and Pearl Jam. Just spit it out! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You're probably right but those 3 were the most immediate mainstream ones that sprung to mind. Off the top of my head Man on the Moon, Sidewinder, What's the Frequency, E-Bow, End of the World, One I Love, Orange Crush, The Great Beyond would all have been top 40. *Edit - a quick Google indicates that they had a pretty impressive 32 top 40 singles between 1987 and 2010. Oooft. I'd have added Stand, Radio Song, Drive and Imitation of Life to your list off the to of my head, but 32 in ridiculous. Will have a look tonight to see what I've forgotten. Oh Bad Day has just popped into my head too. In fairness my knowledge of REM beyond Monster is not as strong as before. I wrongly regarded that as the start of them becoming shite, so for a few years afterwards I ignored them, before eventually coming back to the fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm 50 in May so I know best! Was Chuck Berry any good live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Pearl Jam shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Nirvana.They never made anyone pick up a guitar or changed the way people thought with their insipid American rock.When I saw Nirvana,even though I wasn't a fan,I realised I was watching something great and it felt right to be a part of it.Lets be honest here If they were not still trying to pick Kurt Cobain's brains off the garage ceiling then he'd still be relevant today,Eddie Vedder could walk down Sauchiehall St with his boaby dangling out and nobody would bat an eyelid. To me they are like a Hootie and the Blowfish or the s who sang " Just wanna dance the night away",just another American band who sold a few records that I care too much about music to give a . They've probably sold more records than they should have because of Nirvana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Was Chuck Berry any good live?Ha ha. Cheeky bass. Although I am old enough to remember My Ding-a-ling being number one! Edited January 20, 2016 by Marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I bought Ten back in the day - utter pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) He is deeply annoying - a very distinct singing style that grates like fukk. Really deeply annoying. .)Was thinking, say what you like about Vedder's singing style, it was oft mimicked. Not saying he was the first and they all copied him, but you could argue that the frontmen of Hootie and the Blowfish, Crash Test Dummies and Reef all had similar voices. Arguably Evan Dando from the Lemonheads too and even Cobain didn't sound that different. Point being his voice might have been annoying to some, but I wouldn't say it was unique. Edited January 20, 2016 by Marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm 38 so not that much older. I was in my mid teens when all 3 bands (REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana) were in their pomp so certainly fully aware of all of them. It could be argued that at one point REM were the biggest band in the world, don't think the same could be said about PJ. REM probably had more of a mainstream appeal (certainly with songs like Shiny Happy People, Losing My Religion, Everybody Hurts) than PJ so this is what would make me think that Stipe would be the more well known out of the 2. REM were/are definatley more main stream no arguments with that. Maybe its the fact PJ arent huge in the UK but Vedder is certainly known in the states. I'm 50 in May so I know best! Old b*stard :lol: Pearl Jam shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Nirvana.They never made anyone pick up a guitar or changed the way people thought with their insipid American rock.When I saw Nirvana,even though I wasn't a fan,I realised I was watching something great and it felt right to be a part of it.Lets be honest here If they were not still trying to pick Kurt Cobain's brains off the garage ceiling then he'd still be relevant today,Eddie Vedder could walk down Sauchiehall St with his boaby dangling out and nobody would bat an eyelid. To me they are like a Hootie and the Blowfish or the ######s who sang " Just wanna dance the night away",just another American band who sold a few records that I care too much about music to give a ###### . They've probably sold more records than they should have because of Nirvana. Aye ok PJ are sh*te nae danger. They never inspired anyone ever. As I've said above PJ may not be huge in the UK but they are massive in America and had a huge influence in the music scene over there. Sorry we don't all have the same amazing taste in music as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Don't apologise Kirk it's not your fault.Currently listening to the best Scottish band about at the moment - Young Fathers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 REM were probably the most left field act since Bowie to have achieved mega-stardom. Both were similar in the way they blended artistic obscurity and rock music, also taking many years to achieve commercial success. I don't know who'll be next to assume the mantle but I look forward to hearing them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Always love a good discussion on music where everyone is convinced they are right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Always love a good discussion on music where everyone is convinced they are right.... Or is everyone just giving their opinion like they do on all the non music related threads too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Or is everyone just giving their opinion like they do on all the non music related threads too? Eh....no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Eh....no Really? Is that you telling me that I'm wrong and you're right? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Don't apologise Kirk it's not your fault.Currently listening to the best Scottish band about at the moment - Young Fathers :lol: I'll gie them a listen tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Maybe it's an average age thing: http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/culture/music/jimmy-bain-scots-musician-with-dio-and-rainbow-dies-at-68-1-4009945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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