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said this morning to a friend wait till torys start there deep cuts to the poorest in society and it will kick off big time in London l said that it would make the poll tax riots look like a picnic or even the students demos a years back l guess this is only start the Tories have a free hand and will be ruthless bastards

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Rather than coming out for a few hours, chanting the usual pish and defacing monuments why don't they actually join a political movement, engage in the debate through organised meetings and public debates, form fringe parties based on specific interests and maybe actually try to change the political system and make their politicians accountable.

If one thing changed the political landscape in Scotland it was the realisation that this type of protest doesn't work - we are literally light years ahead in terms of political maturity and it defeats me that they can't learn from a clear lesson in Scotland that has brought decent people into politics and a party that has set out to serve it's people rather than have the people serve them.

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Rather than coming out for a few hours, chanting the usual pish and defacing monuments why don't they actually join a political movement, engage in the debate through organised meetings and public debates, form fringe parties based on specific interests and maybe actually try to change the political system and make their politicians accountable.

If one thing changed the political landscape in Scotland it was the realisation that this type of protest doesn't work - we are literally light years ahead in terms of political maturity and it defeats me that they can't learn from a clear lesson in Scotland that has brought decent people into politics and a party that has set out to serve it's people rather than have the people serve them.

TT

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Rather than coming out for a few hours, chanting the usual pish and defacing monuments why don't they actually join a political movement, engage in the debate through organised meetings and public debates, form fringe parties based on specific interests and maybe actually try to change the political system and make their politicians accountable.

If one thing changed the political landscape in Scotland it was the realisation that this type of protest doesn't work - we are literally light years ahead in terms of political maturity and it defeats me that they can't learn from a clear lesson in Scotland that has brought decent people into politics and a party that has set out to serve it's people rather than have the people serve them.

TT

Great post.

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Rather than coming out for a few hours, chanting the usual pish and defacing monuments why don't they actually join a political movement, engage in the debate through organised meetings and public debates, form fringe parties based on specific interests and maybe actually try to change the political system and make their politicians accountable.

If one thing changed the political landscape in Scotland it was the realisation that this type of protest doesn't work - we are literally light years ahead in terms of political maturity and it defeats me that they can't learn from a clear lesson in Scotland that has brought decent people into politics and a party that has set out to serve it's people rather than have the people serve them.

TT

:ok: My thoughts exactly!

There are protests in Wales today too.

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I agree with TT...however, since pretty much the beginning of time there's always been a place for 'spontaneous' protest.

This sort of thing will only grow over the next 5 years as the Tories now have carte blanche to put their disgusting policies into action.

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There is a place for protest too. The anti-Iraq war protests were amazing.

There is certainly a place for protest - but to equate the Iraq war protests (and we can debate what they actually achieved later) with a bunch of people coming onto the streets to do what - rage that the government they wanted didn't get elected in recently held democratic elections - sorry, it's not the same thing, not even close.

If you want to change the system then you have to actually work at it. You have to become part of it, and you have to choose to make change happen. The apathy in England, the failure to engage, and the willingness to accept the quality of political leadership have all led to the Tories returning to power. It has also led to the growth in UKIP's support and allows the media to go unchallenged in whipping up hysteria around migrants.

You only have to engage the average English person on the SNP to understand how out of touch they are with what is going on politically not just in Scotland but also within their own back yard - we have so radically changed as a nation and it is directly influencing who we elect - fifty six MP's, how many are career politicians, how many are white public schoolboys or conversely, how many are women, how many work within social disadvantaged communities.

I don't consider myself a massively political person but I joined the SNP, I've been to a couple of demo's, attended a few Indy arts events, bought the badge, bought the T shirt, stuck a poster or two in my window and bombarded friends and family with Yes/Indy/SNP messages - I reckon in the run up to the referendum I got two or three folk to move to Yes. I didn't need to do it for the GE, because everyone else in Scotland has worked to spread the message and engage in the debate.

In England, it's a day before and a wee cry after - well you get back what you put in and taking to the streets a couple of days after to say you think it's all not fair, is just deluding yourself that your doing something meaningful.

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We're lucky in Scotland to have the SNP.

Don't forget that that there are millions in England who are not right-wing, who are anti-austerity, and who are now effectively dis-enfranchised.

These protests are only going to increase over the next few years. Of course, England also has an uber right-wing media and anyone who has a different point of view will be painted as a lunatic, communist extremist.

Difficult times ahead I'm afraid.

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Spraying "Tory Scum" or whatever on war monuments is embarrassing.

It is.

But so is another 12 billion pounds worth of cuts on 'benefits', and further attacks on the poorest in society.

I'm sure though that there'll be far more column inches in the right-wing press on 3 words stupidly scrolled on a memorial, than there will be on a policy that will destroy peoples lives.

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It is.

But so is another 12 billion pounds worth of cuts on 'benefits', and further attacks on the poorest in society.

I'm sure though that there'll be far more column inches in the right-wing press on 3 words stupidly scrolled on a memorial, than there will be on a policy that will destroy peoples lives.

You won't find me disagreeing with you on that. I'd just prefer a classier, less incendiary, and disrespectful protest method.

No matter what the Sun or Mail says.

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You won't find me disagreeing with you on that. I'd just prefer a classier, less incendiary, and disrespectful protest method.No matter what the Sun or Mail says.

Timing around VE day 70th anniversary doesn't help either. Violence just plays into the hands of opponents and alienates potential allies.

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Timing around VE day 70th anniversary doesn't help either. Violence just plays into the hands of opponents and alienates potential allies.

The Labour government around 2002 brought in 'anti-terrorist' laws which have been used in the last 13 years to quash all kinds of peaceful protest, including an 80 year old heckling Blair at a Labour conference, and the lone guy who had had an anti-war protest outside Westminster for years.

'Protest', is not allowed.

I don't agree with violence. But I understand people's frustrations.

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