RenfrewBlue Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 you think a playing bill of nearly £8 million was required to get out of the 3rd tier?? Not to mention £800,000 to super Ally and God knows how much to the rest of the coaching team That's not what I said. Try reading the actual words typed and not what you want to believe. The ratio of wages to turnover is healthy and much lower than most clubs in Scotland. The actual amount spent is not sensible as it would have been better to develop younger players and keep money back for times when it was required. Can you understand now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipped flake Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 That's not what I said. Try reading the actual words typed and not what you want to believe. The ratio of wages to turnover is healthy and much lower than most clubs in Scotland. The actual amount spent is not sensible as it would have been better to develop younger players and keep money back for times when it was required. Can you understand now? you said that players wages were not the problem earlier, now you are saying it wasn't sensible and money should have been kept back. Think you can't understand what you post. If rangers had spent a sensible amount on players they would have about an extra £8 million in the bank at this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kps022000 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 you said that players wages were not the problem earlier, now you are saying it wasn't sensible and money should have been kept back. Think you can't understand what you post. If rangers had spent a sensible amount on players they would have about an extra £8 million in the bank at this time Or the directors would have had an additional £8mil in their pockets. It seems it was very easy originally to hide the true level of corruption by offering bright shinny things (miller/SPL players/etc) to confuse huge chunks of rangers fans. Quite a lot saw through it at the very beginning (larky) others have realised as time progressed. Now I think their is only a small minority that don't realise the situation is completely messed up. If I am honest I hold the media in more contempt than anyone else. You need only look at the referendum to see the power of an ochastrated media and when you look back at the easy ride Green and Whyte got you have to wonder what was in it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 you said that players wages were not the problem earlier, now you are saying it wasn't sensible and money should have been kept back. Think you can't understand what you post. If rangers had spent a sensible amount on players they would have about an extra £8 million in the bank at this time Are you stupid?The club can afford the players wages based on ratio to turnover. We're being screwed by the other costs. OK, got it? Now, a sensible approach would have been to spend as much as was needed in the early seasons. Then young players could have been developed and a war chest for when things go wrong could have been built up. We don't have that because we weren't sensible. The club knew the other costs were crippling them but didn't work accordingly. Still following me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 War chest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) d Are you stupid? The club can afford the players wages based on ratio to turnover. Unfortunately for rangers, wages to turnover isn't the only thing they have to worry about. They've got plenty other expenses - any fool can see they've spent far too much on wages. Of course it's not the only problem - but it was stupid. Most rangers fans seem to recognise this And clearly if the club is having to take emergency loans every few months to stay afloat they can't afford to waste money on wages that are higher than necessary Edited November 22, 2014 by Maq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Unfortunately for rangers, wages to turnover isn't the only thing they have to worry about. They've got plenty other expenses - any fool can see they've spent far too much on wages. Of course it's not the only problem - but it was stupid. Most rangers fans seem to recognise this And clearly if the club is having to take emergency loans every few months to stay afloat they can't afford to waste money on wages that are higher than necessary The players wages are not to blame for the current mess. That should be laid firmly at the door of the board. We should have spent less and approached things differently on the pitch but they didn't. At that point, when they chose the path to take they should have sorted out the other finances. They didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 War chest? I didn't say it would have been a big one. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartandon Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 are there any rules about clubs in administration being prevented from being promoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 are there any rules about clubs in administration being prevented from being promoted? Think it's just a points deduction, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Are you stupid? The club can afford the players wages based on ratio to turnover. We're being screwed by the other costs. OK, got it? Now, a sensible approach would have been to spend as much as was needed in the early seasons. Then young players could have been developed and a war chest for when things go wrong could have been built up. We don't have that because we weren't sensible. The club knew the other costs were crippling them but didn't work accordingly. Still following me? He's is not stupid. You can't afford the players you have because you are losing money in other areas. Therefore you should have cut back the players budget. You did not, therefore you are bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartandon Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Think it's just a points deduction, no? That seems mental. Administration for a lower league club should mean a points deduction and bar on promotion. In fact, if you are in administration for any part of a season, you should be barred from promotion. Otherwise, there is no penalty for effectively buying the title with players you can't afford. Similarly for top tier clubs there should be a bar on qualification for European football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Are you stupid? The club can afford the players wages based on ratio to turnover. We're being screwed by the other costs. OK, got it? If you are 'being screwed' on other costs then it is obvious to even the most stupid business studies student that NO you can't afford your current wages to turnover ratio. This is a bit like saying if I was not spunking all my money on X I could afford to be spunking my money on Y. Well duhhh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 This is it. I have gone bust. I earn 200k a year. it's not because of the Ferrari I own which cost me 150k it's all the other costs in my life that have made me go bust! LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 RFC (1899 & 2012) have a problem, like a drunk has a problem. Only with RFC the problem is not a propensity to drink a shit load of booze. The 'problem' is spending more than they earn, in order to buy success. This decades long problem is what killed RFC 1899. But they were given a full body transplant by the 'surgeons' at the SFA and now they are back on the streets, spoiling for trouble. But has the body transplant cured the original problem? No they have not and so like the drunk who gets a new liver and quickly uses it up RFC will soon be needing a new body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broono83 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can see the point.mif you're earning 10 grand a month and spending 5 grand a month paying for your Ferrari but 60 grand a month throwing money out the window, the solution isn't just to buy a fiesta, it's to shut the fecking window. with the later a substantially quicker way to save money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 If you are 'being screwed' on other costs then it is obvious to even the most stupid business studies student that NO you can't afford your current wages to turnover ratio. This is a bit like saying if I was not spunking all my money on X I could afford to be spunking my money on Y. Well duhhh. Consider what would have come first. Mccoist would have his budget set, he'd get the players and not until Green left was it clear what kind of cash was being burned.Once contracts are signed they have to be paid up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Rangers are between a rock and a hard place. They MUST get promoted this season. Even though they simply can't afford the players that they have, they can't afford not to have them. Aside from the fact that their fans won't accept anything else than Rangers being a 'big team', not getting promoted this season would have have real, serious, possibly terminal implications. And so they'll sack every programme seller, every secretary and every groundsman, before they would consider letting any players go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Sorry Rossy but ask most Rangers fans and they would actually say their prime wish is for the infrastructure of he club to be stabilised and some sort of coaching calibre to be installed. The allegation of big team mentality is only there because of the support base and media interest. Times have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart_Aberdeen Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Was talking about it earlier and if they don't get promoted this season they could be stuck there for a few years. Surely they can't afford another season in the 2nd tier while still paying those wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Deed again yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Sorry Rossy but ask most Rangers fans and they would actually say their prime wish is for the infrastructure of he club to be stabilised and some sort of coaching calibre to be installed. The allegation of big team mentality is only there because of the support base and media interest. Times have changed. Tbh, I find that hard to believe. The reason that Rangers are paying high wages to the likes of Miller, Boyd, Law, Black, Shields, McCulloch etc is in great part to satisfy the need of the Rangers fans to believe that their club is still a major player. It's a continuation of the 'if you spend a fiver etc' mentality that Murray instilled at Ibrox. Realistically, it's insane that Rangers are paying so much in wages. However, the alternative....paying realistic wages to lower division journeymen and youngsters, and spending years in the lowers divisions until your club stops being a financial basketcase....is so unthinkable to Rangers and the fans it hasn't even been considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartandon Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I was just watching a programme on Sky Sports about Gretna. There is zero difference between the way they went bust and the way Rangers went bust. The key difference lies in the formation of the 2 new clubs. Gretna 2008 were formed and they now play non-league at Raydale Park. This is in stark contract to The Rangers which was formed, playing at Ibrox but crucially, and inexplicably, re-admitted to the lowest rung of the professional leagues in Scotland. Any Rangers/The Rangers fans should thank their lucky stars that they didn't suffer the same fate as Gretna/ Gretna 2008. Lessons should have been learned from what happened at Gretna. It looks like a second administration and/or liquidation will be required before Rangers realise how lucky they have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I was just watching a programme on Sky Sports about Gretna. There is zero difference between the way they went bust and the way Rangers went bust. The key difference lies in the formation of the 2 new clubs. Gretna 2008 were formed and they now play non-league at Raydale Park. This is in stark contract to The Rangers which was formed, playing at Ibrox but crucially, and inexplicably, re-admitted to the lowest rung of the professional leagues in Scotland. Any Rangers/The Rangers fans should thank their lucky stars that they didn't suffer the same fate as Gretna/ Gretna 2008. Lessons should have been learned from what happened at Gretna. It looks like a second administration and/or liquidation will be required before Rangers realise how lucky they have been. Only it isn't inexplicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I've recorded the Gretna programme - I went to watch them a couple of times v Witton Albion in their English non-league days, so thought it might be worth watching. Edited November 23, 2014 by Charlie Endell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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