Auld_Reekie Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 STV News running with new poll that suggests two thirds of Scots support another independence referendum within 10 years! That's mental. Can only mean the No vote was a "DevoMax or else". Great to see pollsters running this stuff - will ensure the pressure is kept on and therefore independence at forefront of public debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 58% backed another referendum within 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I dont think you are far wrong Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. Fair points Rossy. Along with the GE2015 polling results, they do seem too good to be true. As you said, the SNP should get focused on doing their day job. Another referendum will happen when it feels right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. correct but i would add i havent seen evidence of sturgeon trumpeting this. like you i hope she doesnt. softly softly for now i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think Rossy's right. SNP should focus on governing decent in Scotland, sit in and be constructive with the crubs from Smith, whilst fighting the GE for more devolution (devo max if you wish). Basically heid doon and power on. It's a pretty exciting time and those polls are spectacular, but we all know it'll be very very tight in May and Labour have some massive majorities to be over-turned. Put a new referendum on the back burner for now, but circumstances change dramatically, and there is no such thing as a settled will of any nation - so we could well have one in the future if something dramatic like Britain leaving the EU happens, further strained relations between the regions etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I wouldn't want another referendum unless a Yes vote was an absolute shoo-in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I've just seen the data tables. It's weighted based on the Westminster polling figures from yesterday - so SNP supporters make up around 50% of the poll result. Take the SNP out - and it's a huge number not wanting another referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I've just seen the data tables. It's weighted based on the Westminster polling figures from yesterday - so SNP supporters make up around 50% of the poll result. Take the SNP out - and it's a huge number not wanting another referendum. Why would you take 50% of the electorate out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why would you take 50% of the electorate out? I'm saying that it probably shouldn't be weighted based on an opinion poll, but should be weighted based on the last Scottish election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why would you take 50% of the electorate out? Maybe the Electoral Management Board for Scotland can answer you better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I wouldn't want another referendum unless a Yes vote was an absolute shoo-in.... Yep. Next time will be from a position of strength. I don't care if it takes 15 years. We have always played the long game. I'm saying that it probably shouldn't be weighted based on an opinion poll, but should be weighted based on the last Scottish election. Would the polling company do this on the orders of the people that paid for the poll, knowing it would give a skewed result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Rossy is spot on. Govern Scotland well using whatever additional powers come out of Smith and maximise the vote in the next UK general elections; let UKIP and the Tories use EVEL and the EU to create chaos. The SNP needs to exploit the weakness of the unionist parties, but it also needs to avoid being seen not to have accepted the referendum result. The UK is falling apart anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Apparently a new poll puts support for indy in the lead: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/new-poll-scotland-would-back-indy-if-fresh-vote-was-held-now.1414830607 Personally, I think the SNP should keep independence on the back burner - for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We cannot have another referendum where we need to have Westminster's agreement to monetary union's and the like. We need to establish the viability of setting up our own central bank etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Apparently a new poll puts support for indy in the lead: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/new-poll-scotland-would-back-indy-if-fresh-vote-was-held-now.1414830607 Personally, I think the SNP should keep independence on the back burner - for the time being. Aye. See what Smith offers (probably not much). Fight for Devo in 15 and 16, and see what happens from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We cannot have another referendum where we need to have Westminster's agreement to monetary union's and the like. We need to establish the viability of setting up our own central bank etc Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoal Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. The only problem with that is "substantial new powers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fyv6pya3md/Times-results-141030-scotland-FULL.pdf If there was a referendum tomorrow on Scotland's future and this was the question, how would you vote? Should Scotland be an independent country? (Yes by category) Total: Yes - 52% No - 48% Westminster Voting Intention: CON - 4% LAB - 18% LIB - 21% SNP - 98% UKIP - 29% 2010 Vote: CON - 10% LAB - 46% LIB - 54% SNP - 86% Holyrood Voting Intention CON - 1% LAB - 13% LIB - 17% SNP - 97% Holyrood Vote 2011: CON - 11% LAB - 33% LIB - 31% SNP - 83% Referendum Vote: Yes - 98% No - 8% Gender: Male - 56% Female - 50% Age: 18-24 - 50% 25-39 - 58% 40-59 - 54% 60+ - 47% Social Grade: ABC1 - 47% C2DE - 58% Place of Birth: Scotland - 57% rUK - 28% Other - 39% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We cannot have another referendum where we need to have Westminster's agreement to monetary union's and the like. We need to establish the viability of setting up our own central bank etc or just eschew a central bank and issue money without interest. the below is a history of how central banking evolved and offers an alternative that Milton Friedman found compelling http://www.themoneymasters.com/ It's literally dozens of hours reading however it will give people a better understanding of central banking, it eventually breaks off and becomes american-centric, but the journalist is American, however our economies are very similar. "As you know, I am entirely sympathetic with the objectives of your Monetary Reform Act...You deserve a great deal of credit for carrying through so thoroughly on your own conception…I am impressed by your persistence and attention to detail in your successive revisions..Best wishes, Milton Friedman Nobel Laureate in Economics; Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fyv6pya3md/Times-results-141030-scotland-FULL.pdf If there was a referendum tomorrow on Scotland's future and this was the question, how would you vote? Should Scotland be an independent country? (Yes by category) Total: Yes - 52% No - 48% Westminster Voting Intention: CON - 4% LAB - 18% LIB - 21% SNP - 98% UKIP - 29% 2010 Vote: CON - 10% LAB - 46% LIB - 54% SNP - 86% Holyrood Voting Intention CON - 1% LAB - 13% LIB - 17% SNP - 97% Holyrood Vote 2011: CON - 11% LAB - 33% LIB - 31% SNP - 83% Referendum Vote: Yes - 98% No - 8% Gender: Male - 56% Female - 50% Age: 18-24 - 50% 25-39 - 58% 40-59 - 54% 60+ - 47% Social Grade: ABC1 - 47% C2DE - 58% Place of Birth: Scotland - 57% rUK - 28% Other - 39% That makes no sense at all. What are the figures of 83%-98% for the SNP referring to? Percentages don't add up to 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 That makes no sense at all. What are the figures of 83%-98% for the SNP referring to? Percentages don't add up to 100. These are the yes percentages. So 98% of people who intend to vote SNP now would vote yes, but 83% of those who voted SNP in 2010 would vote yes now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albathebrave Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Hmmm. We should be careful of this nonsense. It wouldn't surprise me if this was just another piece of Unionist crap that they'll use to paint the SNP as 'extremists' come the next elections. Sturgeon should avoid trumpeting these results around, and should get on with the business of governing Scotland sensibly with substantial new powers. That'll do more for the independence movement than any daft poll. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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