phart Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is out and it's grim as feck reading http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world/senate-intelligence-committee-cia-torture-report.html Lying about information, using anal penetration with inanimate objects, just hoovering up anyone with no real evidence of crimes. threats of rape. Secret detention centres (rendition through Scotland we were lied about that at the time) so the rule of law could be subverted. Basically what was happening in Abu Ghraib prison, these techniques are normally reserved for "Foreign country A" in the "family of democracies" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3863235.stm " The US journalist who broke the Abu Ghraib scandal told the programme his sources confirm the presence of Israeli intelligence agents in Iraq. Seymour Hersh said that one of the Israeli aims was to gain access to detained members of the Iraqi secret intelligence unit, who reportedly specialise in Israeli affairs. " So seems the same practices used in Iraq have continued for years afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 jeezo what are the water tight (elasticated wrist band) blue plastic gloves for... How does a village people tash wearing twat and a drippy weirdo perv burd make so many unrestrained men act in such utter humiliating obedience? Because they have been totally terrified not just for their lives but worse being tortured slowly to death. These pictures celebrate that, and that is why they were taken and all these men used like props, it says we can break you and make you objects in our parade. Share Like Facebook etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And our own governments involvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And our own governments involvement? They used us as usual to land their planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Guantanamo Bay - the surrender of any pretence to occupy the moral high ground. They knew they were beyond the pale, otherwise they would have done it on US soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf Sorry forgot to add in the actual report, this is only 25% of it, 75% is still not getting released. Hertscot , according to detainees british operatives were there during questioning, this is denied, Westminister gave them Prestwick to rendition this was also denied untill it wasn't. I "love" how the American security services think that morality is a field which changes depending on geography, we can't do it in mainland US as it's wrong, so we'll use Poland, Iraq, Cuba etc and it'll be alright. They were offering huge bounties and bounty hunters were just picking up anyone and dumping them into US control, basically kidnapping people with no due process then torturing them mentally and physically for a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) jeezo what are the water tight (elasticated wrist band) blue plastic gloves for... How does a village people tash wearing twat and a drippy weirdo perv burd make so many unrestrained men act in such utter humiliating obedience? Because they have been totally terrified not just for their lives but worse being tortured slowly to death. These pictures celebrate that, and that is why they were taken and all these men used like props, it says we can break you and make you objects in our parade. Share Like Facebook etc... Well a certain soldier in Abu Ghraib has an interesting tattoo. Edited December 10, 2014 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Another interesting stat form it * "Of the 119 known detainees that were in CIA custody during the life of the program, at least 26 were wrongfully held. Detainees often remained in custody for months after the CIA determined they should not have been detained." it's 6700 pages which will not be classified 545 that will. So less than 10% has been released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 wonder what is redacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 So much crazy shit in here torturing their own moles without even realising it, what a bunch of feckwits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Verschärfte Vernehmung is what the gestapo called it, When brought to Trial the claim was that they were enemy combatants and weren't covered by law (this is ringing a lot of bells) Here is a link from 2009 i forgot i had read. http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Verschärfte Vernehmung is what the gestapo called it, When brought to Trial the claim was that they were enemy combatants and weren't covered by law (this is ringing a lot of bells) Here is a link from 2009 i forgot i had read. http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/ The US then executed the Germans for using cold bath techniques , techniques which they themselves now use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Here's the Republican report http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy3.pdf Not had a chance to read it but from commentary they seem to be refuting the claim that torture was not useful , as opposed to refuting they did any of the torture. So it's a rebuttal about the effectiveness of threatening rape to get information. I personally think it's wrong to torture regardless of whether it works or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Some total belters in here , it's unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 taking folk with learning disability and torturing them to get other folk to talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 So Ed snowden et al are being super dangerous by releasing information however the CIA can do it when they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 They anally raped two prisoners , and the CIA described it in official documents as "rectal exams conducted with excessive force" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Press complicity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 I want to know which country all these "outside contractors" came from, but every single reference i can find is redacted. They were paid 4 times the amount of normal interrogators were as well. I wonder which ally i would go to if i wanted information on how best to torture folk of an arab/muslim culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Forced rectal feeding without any medical need, these khunts are just sadists it's fecked up. "In 2007, for instance, Michael V. Hayden, then the C.I.A. director, told the Senate Intelligence Committee that “all of those involved in the questioning of detainees are carefully chosen and screened for demonstrated professional judgment and maturity.” In fact, the Senate report concludes, no such vetting took place. The interrogation teams included people with “notable derogatory information” in their records, including one with “workplace anger management issues” and another who “had reportedly admitted to sexual assault.”" "Within days of the raid on UBL’s compound, CIA officials represented that CIA detainees provided the ‘tipoff’ information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti. A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical — or the most valuable — on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques." Edited December 11, 2014 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 New York Times debunking all the false claims of Verschärfte Vernehmung providing information http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/08/world/does-torture-work-the-cias-claims-and-what-the-committee-found.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Aye so Abu Ghraib was just a few bad apples aye? That's what was said, seems it was top down directed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Read my mothers Daily Mail yesterday and even they think its bad which says something! Though I can't remember them being too vocal at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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