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Or as Edward O Wilson has it

“Earth relates to the universe as the second segment of the left antenna of an aphid sitting on a flower petal in a garden in Teaneck, N.J., for a few hours this afternoon.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/books/edward-o-wilsons-the-meaning-of-human-existence.html?_r=0

(a review curiously partly rehashed, x weeks later, in Scotland on Sunday today)

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The surface area, circumference, and diameter of the planet are all measurable.

If we were to (say) measure the circumference of the equator, we would designate a point which would be the start, and when we reached that same point (after going around the equator once) that same point would be the end.

(There's no need to muddy the waters with 'edges'.)

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The surface of the earth is measurable.

It isn't infinite.

That's exactly right. It's a finite two dimensonal surface with no boundaries (edges). It doesn't have an end but it is still finite.

It follows through a whack of maths that your u can have a finite universe which doesn't have a boundary (and in four dimensional maths yo don't need an additional dimension to bend in, like you need with a two dimensional surface.

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The surface area, circumference, and diameter of the planet are all measurable.

If we were to (say) measure the circumference of the equator, we would designate a point which would be the start, and when we reached that same point (after going around the equator once) that same point would be the end.

(There's no need to muddy the waters with 'edges'.)

There is, and its a very important concept. The surface of the earth or any sphere is two dimensional. You can specify any point on it, uniquely, with two coordinates.

The same applies to a three or four dimensional space - there's no need for it to have a boundary for it to be finite.

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We don't know whether a boundary for the Universe exists and we may never know. The observable universe is 27 billion light years in diameter if i remember correctly.

The point I'm making is there doesn't need to be one. And not having one doesn't make the universe infinite.

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We've also changed it, it used to be a percentage of a solar day now it's "the duration of 9192631770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."

I've been banging on about that for yonks.

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He didn't say it was infinite. You are confusing two different concepts.

I'm not confusing anything.

Here's the original post...

See thon universe felly.

How can it go on forever and ever? It just cannae eh? Can it?

But then if it does have an end, what's on the other side.........??

Donald then introduced the earth not having an edge in his first post (which was post #4).

Biffer (if I understand him correctly) is maintaining that because the earth is finite, then the universe could be too.

So is the outer part of the universe solid as well? (Or do we measure space?)

And if the universe is expanding, then what is it expanding into?

In conclusion... We can measure the earth, and we can't measure the universe.

Maybe something in this universe knows the answer but we don't

The Creator, God, would know.

Job 38:5

Isaiah 40:12

Psalm 102:25

Isaiah 48:13

Amos 4:13

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Donald then introduced the earth not having an edge in his first post (which was post #4).

Biffer (if I understand him correctly) is maintaining that because the earth is finite, then the universe could be too.

I sure Biffer can speak for himself but I'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying. He is just using the Earth as an example of something that doesn't have an end (edge) but isn't infinite. He could have used an rubber band or a doughnut as an example if he wanted to.

There are other reasons for thinking that the universe might not have a boundary or that it may not be infinite. But these are theories based on our understanding of the current data and complex mathematics. These theories can, and do, change over time based on new information and new ways of thinking.

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I sure Biffer can speak for himself but I'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying. He is just using the Earth as an example of something that doesn't have an end (edge) but isn't infinite. He could have used an rubber band or a doughnut as an example if he wanted to.

There are other reasons for thinking that the universe might not have a boundary or that it may not be infinite. But these are theories based on our understanding of the current data and complex mathematics. These theories can, and do, change over time based on new information and new ways of thinking.

That's right. I'm not saying it's definitely finite, I'm saying that it doesn't need an edge for it to be finite.

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