jockodile Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Coming home for Xmas for first time since May 2013 so interested in the state of play. In the aftermath of the ref there was a lot of talk of people need to move on etc. From abroad it is hard to guage if this has happened or we are divided in 2 camps. Is Yes or politics generally still a topic in a typical pub of a Friday night or has Xfactor, celtic/rangers, or other such items regained top billing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I think that politics is still on the go. The referendum receding, but "What next" very much on people's minds. Polls suggest that there has been a general "coming together" of people wanting to give Labour a real kicking at the Westminster election in May. Edited October 31, 2014 by Flure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'll certainly never 'come together' with any judas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Arguably Scotland was never divided as a nation in the 1st place ?The concept of division was created to stir up anti SNP feeling by the media and political establishment.They want to make out the nationalist movement to be evil, abusive and divisive ? The worst of the referendum was Jim Murphy getting egged and some Rangers Fans having a party in george square. Small change compared to the size of decision we had to make ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I haven't sensed any 'coming together' the few times I've been back since the referendum. The 'silent majority' have skulked back in to their living rooms to watch Strictly and to work out how they can maybe be 10p better off in 2 years time. Others...being aware for the first time in their lives that people can actually change government opinion and make government jump to their tune...are continuing to fight the good fight to try and make Scotland a better place. The inertia of government, the state media, and those who are 'all right Jack' remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 There isn't a general division any more than there was before. I won't be coming together with any of these unionists who disgraced Scotland in George Square but I wouldn't have given them the time of day before the referendum campaign either. With friends who voted no, it's more a case of reminding them that they gave up the right to complain about any decisions made by Westminster when they voted no - frequent reminders of "don't blame me, I voted Yes". Pointing out every time another Better Together lie is exposed to public ridicule. We need some of these people to vote Yes next time, so best not to fall out with them but to gently persuade them that they made a mistake. "I told you so" repeated from time to time will be quite effective. They need to realise for themselves that they have been misled or conned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Agree with most of the above. dont think we are any more together than we were before the ref. i have friends who voted no and they are still my friends but among my friends who voted yes there seems to be a definite hardening of opinion on politics. The No's seem to want to talk about other stuff, but the yes voters i know seem happy to keep up the discussion. thats what makes me feel a bit happier that this wont go away. The no's seem to remain silent just happy in their own worlds - oike rossy says, inertia, but the continual stream of predictable disgraceful political actions since the referendum must be getting to some of them. But i dont feel any need to come together with any of them - huge divisions were not there anyway - just a differenc eof political opinion. But seeing how westminster is now carrying on I am proud of how i voted, not sure the no's i know would say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'll certainly never 'come together' with any judas . Big thumbs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) All of the above. Excellent summing up. Of the few No voters I know my attitude to them will never be the same. Edited October 31, 2014 by Och Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Some peoples attitudes have hardened on either side. There will be some yes voters who will have given up in despair, though evidence suggests an energising of yes support instead. There will be some no voters looking at the possible rise of UKIP with dread. It doesn't feel like it is over, it feels like a lull before the 2015 election when people will have a clearer idea of where various chips lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I would say it's business as usual for most folk. Conversations I've been involved in have fairly quickly turned back to football, family, work and day to day life. I'd compare it to the number of kids playing tennis in the street 6 weeks after Wimbledon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Saw the sunday herald offshore for the first time this trip on the brittania platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Its still a topic, but in my opinion it was never something that really divided people. Folk had strong opinions but friends are still friends and family is still family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Debated with myself for a minute whether to come back for the festive period... I'm not. Still reeling from the shitebaggedry from the majority. I've taken the huff and even ignored the comments when been called British. Will probably get over it when back for the games in a fortnight. I'll still "work on" people who were no voters though. I was utterly shocked and proud to see all my family voting yes. Considering my grandparents and even my maw used to march in the orange walks and all [used to] have a a big liking for Rangers. It's wrong to say that brought me closer to my family, but it did change my perception of them for the better. Grandparents are 80+ and I didn't think they'd change from voting unionist all their lives to nationalist. It goes to show that if arguments can be backed up with facts and figures it can change the minds of others, even the so-called no-hopers. As for friends, I'm nae so sure. 'Lost' a few. They weren't real friends in the first place. Not ones you can phone up for a beer and they'll meet you in an hour. Still mates with lots of no voters as they are still good people but they also had proper reasons for voting their way. There won't be animosity when we meet - what's the point? There might be a few subtle digs about the state of Scotland's affairs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laud Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I haven't sensed any 'coming together' the few times I've been back since the referendum. The 'silent majority' have skulked back in to their living rooms to watch Strictly and to work out how they can maybe be 10p better off in 2 years time. Others...being aware for the first time in their lives that people can actually change government opinion and make government jump to their tune...are continuing to fight the good fight to try and make Scotland a better place. The inertia of government, the state media, and those who are 'all right Jack' remains. This is a good post Rossy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Coming home for Xmas for first time since May 2013 so interested in the state of play. In the aftermath of the ref there was a lot of talk of people need to move on etc. From abroad it is hard to guage if this has happened or we are divided in 2 camps. Is Yes or politics generally still a topic in a typical pub of a Friday night or has Xfactor, celtic/rangers, or other such items regained top billing This I can answer. The referendum did not cause any division, it exposed it. The referendum cast light on Scotland from an angle that had never been cast before and as a result it revealed fault lines previously fully unseen. Let's stop pretending we are all one happy family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Let's just throw this into the hat... it is not the west coast orange crazies or the so called west coast green plastics who drag us down... they actually mostly cancel each other out and overall Glasgow has heaps of Yes to spare. The ers that are really net net dragging us down (apart from the soon to be dead crapbag OAPs) are the east coast I'm all right jack No voting snob demographics. Edinburgh of course but also Aberdeen....When you consider all the historical slaggings from morally outraged East coasters on here about the 'anyone but Scotland mentalness of the west coasters' it is strange they get off so Scot free (ahaha) for being the No voting sell outs that they are. Generally speaking of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Let's just throw this into the hat... it is not the west coast orange crazies or the so called west coast green plastics who drag us down... they actually mostly cancel each other out and overall Glasgow has heaps of Yes to spare. The ers that are really net net dragging us down (apart from the soon to be dead crapbag OAPs) are the east coast I'm all right jack No voting snob demographics. Edinburgh of course but also Aberdeen....When you consider all the historical slaggings from morally outraged East coasters on here about the 'anyone but Scotland mentalness of the west coasters' it is strange they get off so Scot free (ahaha) for being the No voting sell outs that they are. Generally speaking of course... Not forgetting the majority in the Borders and Dumfries & Galloway areas who by all accounts want to be English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The Yes campaign is getting stronger. Shame about Shameburgh and Abertannia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Not forgetting the majority in the Borders and Dumfries & Galloway areas who by all accounts want to be English What about the fifers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The Yes campaign is getting stronger. Shame about Shameburgh and Abertannia. I stay south side edinburgh and I voted yes and proud of it. There was actually a lot of visible yes support around me. We are not all a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Seeing the result come in from my home town, Stirling, was lowest point for me. Edinburgh was always going to be hard because its demographic is cosmopolitan and atypical. But the royal burgh, who make such a play of the local history of Bruce and Wallace voting no. Depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 I stay south side edinburgh and I voted yes and proud of it. There was actually a lot of visible yes support around me. We are not all a lost cause. That is a good point actually. The 45 dont just come from the 'wins' of Dundee etc. People voted YES everywhere, the results by council give a misleading picture. Next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Not forgetting the majority in the Borders and Dumfries & Galloway areas who by all accounts want to be English Hoi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hoi... I did say majority - not all x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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