Has Scotland 'come Together Again' Since Sep

[mariokempes56]

Aye and yer right sadly..I've not been in my Nocal since the vote.

[flynnyboy]

Seeing the result come in from my home town, Stirling, was lowest point for me.

Edinburgh was always going to be hard because its demographic is cosmopolitan and atypical.

But the royal burgh, who make such a play of the local history of Bruce and Wallace voting no. Depressing.

Drove through Stirling and a few outlying areas a couple of weeks after the vote. The amount of union flags was incredible. Coming from Lanarkshire and working in glasgow it was a massive difference to what I had seen, ie saltires everywhere.

Right under the castle and the monument. Sad. Depressing. Think our national team play in the correct location given the demography of how the vote went.

On the original point, the debate is well and truly alive still in glasgow. The lies and scare stories are being exposed for what they are is making this city even more YES determined.

There is still a clear division in this city, but it was exactly the same as before.

[Rossy]

What about the flipping fifers?

Actually, Fife was very close.

The vast majority of working class Fife....Cowdenbeath, Lochgelly, central Fife, Glenrothes....voted Yes in large numbers. Unfortunately, the LibDems in the north east and the Edinburgh NIMBYs in places like Aberdour and Dalgety Bay tipped it narrowly towards No.

[Dave78]

As for friends, I'm nae so sure. 'Lost' a few. They weren't real friends in the first place. Not ones you can phone up for a beer and they'll meet you in an hour.

Aye. I was surprised by a guy i considered a decent friend. Someone i knew pretty well and had traveled to away games with. Started getting offended when i challenged his No arguments (he didn't have an answer), and also turned out to be a bit 'orange' for my liking.

Will have to bite my tongue next time we meet at a game, or risk a proper falling out.

This I can answer.

The referendum did not cause any division, it exposed it.

The referendum cast light on Scotland from an angle that had never been cast before and as a result it revealed fault lines previously fully unseen.

Let's stop pretending we are all one happy family.

Agree. I remember (before the SNP win in 2007) when supporting independence had a stigma. I wouldn't mention it in the pub for fear of hassle.

Mind you, i did grow up in south west Ayrshire, a fairly 'orange county'.

The division was always there, it was just under the carpet.

[Padre Andrew]

The 'silent majority' have skulked back in to their living rooms to watch Strictly and to work out how they can maybe be 10p better off in 2 years time.

Others...being aware for the first time in their lives that people can actually change government opinion and make government jump to their tune...are continuing to fight the good fight to try and make Scotland a better place.

The inertia of government, the state media, and those who are 'all right Jack' remains.

Listen to this man - he speaks the truth.

[i'm thinking of some old Mexican in a spaghetti western saying this. All I get on Google is some old 'meme' crap]

[ShedTA]

Actually, Fife was very close.

The vast majority of working class Fife....Cowdenbeath, Lochgelly, central Fife, Glenrothes....voted Yes in large numbers. Unfortunately, the LibDems in the north east and the Edinburgh NIMBYs in places like Aberdour and Dalgety Bay tipped it narrowly towards No.

My point Rossy. Some areas are always going to be no strongholds but others that I would have thought would be yes areas going marginally no, that killed me.

[stocky]

Not forgetting the majority in the Borders and Dumfries & Galloway areas who by all accounts want to be English

a wee bit unfair as they get English Telly... so they don t get all the STV stuff also the places like Gala and the Schemes in Dumfries were massive YES....

[Alan]

After saying it was a once in a generation vote the SNP have embarked on a policy of attacking the UK and agreed position of the electorate. At the beginning I thought it was a clever policy to keep them on the front foot but I'm finding more and more people ate getting tired of it. Very tired. These are voters not the politicos on the board. The country is still divided as in the zealots won't let it go.

[Alan]

Rossy = Bonny Prince Charlie

[flynnyboy]

After saying it was a once in a generation vote the SNP have embarked on a policy of attacking the UK and agreed position of the electorate. At the beginning I thought it was a clever policy to keep them on the front foot but I'm finding more and more people ate getting tired of it. Very tired. These are voters not the politicos on the board. The country is still divided as in the zealots won't let it go.

From the evidence taken from recent polls you are wrong. As has been said before this was the last chance given to a broken relationship. The lies told in desperation to keep the partner who wants to move on have already been exposed. It is a matter of time. And not a very long time at that.

[weekevie04]

Rossy = Bonny Prince Charlie

His assesment is absoultley spot on.

You had a spritz or twa?

[weekevie04]

You won't have a problem, Jock. We are still the same civilised and very much reserved nation that I doubt unless you start shouting loudly your political views in a pub or start antagonising people then no one will give two hoots really.

Just looking at the result you would think we are a divided place, but I don't even know - if judging by my close friends it was 14-2 to Yes, and direct family it was 70 to yes, and none of them/us have been flag wavers/badge wearers, ''VOTE SNP'' posters, etc - and I'm not exactly sure if the 2 Nos voted - I know that 1 of them didn't, the other was undecided, but ''the banks'' etc etc, unless you bring up politics, not many will openly talk about it.

This is the start though. I'm so encouraged seeing pals who were never politcally motivated now members of the SNP and SSP. I've not spoke to him, but I'm sure another pal is a Green now too. It's a hugely interesting time in Scotland. The result didn't go my or your way, but we've set off, for want of a better word 'a bomb' and I honestly believe it's only a matter of time as in before football hits Qatar at 50degrees, Scotland will be independent and possibly (not competing in the WC, we'll still be too shite to qualify for that) but at least involved in Semi Final 1 or Semi Final 2 in Eurovision.

My parents are going to SNP meetings, I didn't even know if my father voted until Sept 18th and even then my mum told him to take a grandaughter in the booth to make sure he ticks the right box. The same with a pal, he hadn't voted since his 21st birthday, (he's now 31) and h e is now an active SSP member, going to the meetings, telling me I better vote SSP on the list in 2016, as he's voting SNP next year, and so on. Previously he had no interest or like in politics. That's what's been amazing about the ref.

People now have hope.

Anyhoos, have a great time when home. Don't worry, it's Scotland, the same old place you left and the same nice people, yes or no, who mostly live here.

[ParisInAKilt]

The country is still divided as in the zealots won't let it go.

Predictable pish as usual.

Funny the first person to think the country is divided is a unionist

[thplinth]

Predictable pish as usual.

Funny the first person to think the country is divided is a unionist

Look at the orange order - self proclaimed 'Unionists' whilst at the same time banning people for attending catholic weddings. What union are they in and with who? Not their fellow Scots that is for sure. Same with Alan, he never was in any kind of 'union' with us and never ever will be. Who the would want to be.

[Flora MaDonald]

After saying it was a once in a generation vote the SNP have embarked on a policy of attacking the UK and agreed position of the electorate. At the beginning I thought it was a clever policy to keep them on the front foot but I'm finding more and more people ate getting tired of it. Very tired. These are voters not the politicos on the board. The country is still divided as in the zealots won't let it go.

Funny how two-thirds of Scots appear to want another referendum within 10.years.

[ShedTA]

Look at the orange order - self proclaimed 'Unionists' whilst at the same time banning people for attending catholic weddings. What union are they in and with who? Not their fellow Scots that is for sure. Same with Alan, he never was in any kind of 'union' with us and never ever will be. Who the would want to be.

Exactly. The union is a complete fabrication. Look at Cameron's response to the question of scots voting over eu membership. Basically if England voted yes to leave then tough . That's not a union, that's us doing as they tell us once again.

[EddardStark]

One of the best outcomes is the dilution of Labour Party influence in Scotland. This can only be good news. However the SNP need to be careful they do not lurch too much to the left.

Edited November 1, 2014 by EddardStark

[Hertsscot]

Funny how two-thirds of Scots appear to want another referendum within 10.years.

And according to the same poll 58% would support a vote within five years! Seems, contrary to Alan, that most people are far from tired of it. Yes voters possibly more hardline (eg witness massive growth in membership of Greens and SNP) and one or to no voters possibly hacked off with events since the 18th.

[Flora MaDonald]

And according to the same poll 58% would support a vote within five years! Seems, contrary to Alan, that most people are far from tired of it. Yes voters possibly more hardline (eg witness massive growth in membership of Greens and SNP) and one or to no voters possibly hacked off with events since the 18th.

In fairness to Alan, he was probably speaking to his pals Julian, Guy and Nigel.

[Rossy]

Rossy = Bonny Prince Charlie

What a strange thing to say.

I've asked my mum, and she assures me that in fact, I'm not Bonnie Prince Charlie.

[Flora MaDonald]

Alan = David Coburn

[Pool Q]

Most people are more than capable of keeping a sense of perspective on it, on a day to day basis no-one should have any problems with other folk following on from the referendum, apart from maybe from the odd Loyalist knuckledragger wanting to beat up wee lassies with a saltire. That said on a political level things have been complicated immeasurably by the infamous vow by Brown, Cameron et al, which (whether it had much of an impact on the result of the referendum or not, we'll never know) clearly and specifically tied a 'No' vote to substantial further devolution within a tight (frankly ludicrous) timescale. A compliant media portrayed this as a commitment to delivery of Devo Max (the words Home Rule were used too); if the mainstream politicians didn't actually use those words, nor did they make any attempt to correct the way it was being portrayed. This mixture of blind panic and dishonesty has created a constitutional clusterfvck entirely of the unionist parties creation, it is perfectly reasonable of the SNP to exploit it to the full. The EU issue is an additional complication. The referendum could, probably should, have drawn a line under things; it hasn't due to the actions of the unionist leadership. There is a separate issue, for anyone who cares about democracy, relating to the behaviour of the media and business during the build up to the vote, but again that isn't something that would have an impact on how people deal with each other day to day.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Pool Q

[weekevie04]

Alan = David Coburn

[Alibi]

a wee bit unfair as they get English Telly... so they don t get all the STV stuff also the places like Gala and the Schemes in Dumfries were massive YES....

I was in Dumfries High Street campaigning the week of the vote, and there was definitely a majority for Yes among those we spoke to. We were certain that we had about 50% of the vote at least and that would have meant a Yes win as D&G is less independence-aligned than most parts of Scotland. I still find the quoted result difficult to believe. No way was it 2-1 for no when you actually spoke to people.