stocky Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 you know as good as this Poll is, I would trade every single day and every single event with the Labour Party since the 18th Sept. We win Referendum and then fall apart, and struggle for a new leader. drop in polls etc.. I would love to be in their position cos it would have meant we would have won the referendum.... I cant really get super happy about this Because we all know Scotland is still getting shafted by London, no matter who we vote for. Would be exactly what they deserve tho.. although I think the Tories will be back in Scotland next year could get a few seats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 you know as good as this Poll is, I would trade every single day and every single event with the Labour Party since the 18th Sept. We win Referendum and then fall apart, and struggle for a new leader. drop in polls etc.. I would love to be in their position cos it would have meant we would have won the referendum.... I cant really get super happy about this Because we all know Scotland is still getting shafted by London, no matter who we vote for. Would be exactly what they deserve tho.. although I think the Tories will be back in Scotland next year could get a few seats... My take on it now is if Yes had won, it would have been close. And as such, Scotland would have been fatally divided in the face of a British state which would still have control of many areas and would not hesitate to grab as much as it could, leading potentially to the annexation of Shetland, an encouragement to business of capital flight and a media and establishment led incitement to disobedience towards the new Scottish state. That's a pessimistic view of a narrow Yes vote but it is hard to see the establishment playing fair if they thought they could get away with some asset stripping and weakening a potential social democratic example within the British isles. On the other hand, an emphatic demonstration of political will towards a Yes vote would isolate those who would do Scotland over, and make the establishment more amenable to an accommodation. The job of those who believe in independece is to make the next referendum such a sure thing that it is better for the establishment to make an accommodation with it than fight it. The job of the establishment is to seize as much as they can from Scotland in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Many over look the shetland problem which i think would be huge, if we could get them onside i think that we are onto a winner, with such a small population would it be that hard to sway them into nationalists? My take on it now is if Yes had won, it would have been close. And as such, Scotland would have been fatally divided in the face of a British state which would still have control of many areas and would not hesitate to grab as much as it could, leading potentially to the annexation of Shetland, an encouragement to business of capital flight and a media and establishment led incitement to disobedience towards the new Scottish state. That's a pessimistic view of a narrow Yes vote but it is hard to see the establishment playing fair if they thought they could get away with some asset stripping and weakening a potential social democratic example within the British isles. On the other hand, an emphatic demonstration of political will towards a Yes vote would isolate those who would do Scotland over, and make the establishment more amenable to an accommodation. The job of those who believe in independece is to make the next referendum such a sure thing that it is better for the establishment to make an accommodation with it than fight it. The job of the establishment is to seize as much as they can from Scotland in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padre Andrew Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 As delightful as the STV poll is, I can’t see it happening that way. Labour will begin some kind of a fight-back, whoever wins the leadership contest. My money’s on Eggy Jim. He’d epitomise the ‘branch office’ factor, but he knows a thing or two about politics. They’ll find a safe Labour seat for him somewhere for 2016. I think Nicola would find him a tougher prospect than either of the other candidates. It’s not going to be dull, whatever happens. A possible confounding factor is UKIP. That ComRes poll was interesting, but I’d want to know how soft the Labour vote is in seats they currently hold. In Rochdale the Labour vote might be going to UKIP to keep the Tories out [bizarre logic, but then party politics throws these things up]. If Labour lose ground to UKIP in their own seats next year then they could implode before 2016. And a YES alliance cleans up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hmm - can't figure that out! What's the headline figures? Percentages for the parties? (Sorry I couldn't figure out how to understand the tables!) It's on page 6. UKIP - 43% CON - 30% LAB - 21% GRN - 3% LIB - 3% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Rochester http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/Rochester_&_Strood_published_tables_Oct_2014.pdf This poll has got 30% of Labour voters from 2010 voting UKIP. Labour are in trouble. Thanks for the correction, I'm offshore at the moment and due to a broken down chopper parked on our heli deck for the last couple of days we've had little newspapers. Not that I read them much anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I would crawl on my hands and knees to see the declaration if ian davidson got voted out. over broken glass...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I thought he was going to bayonet us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I don't think this poll includes labour's 100% of postal votes factor. Or the probable 114% turnout with blank backed voting slips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It's on page 6. UKIP - 43% CON - 30% LAB - 21% GRN - 3% LIB - 3% Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 GORDON'S ALIVE!!! I wax going to say WTF is wrong with people in Kirkcaldy still voting for that treacherous f@cker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 If you plug those poll figures into "Scotland Votes", Willie Bain is Scotland's only Labour MP! http://www.scotlandvotes.com/westminster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yougov poll has snp on 47 seats https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/527943146370396161 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yougov poll SNP 43% Con 15% Lab 27% Lib 4% Other 11% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 In seats it's SNP 47 Con 1 Lab 10 Lib 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Top headline on ITN News there. They're finally realising what's been said on here for ages. Tom Bradby was even quoting Ally Bongo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 YouGov do generally downplay SNP support. Very good poll there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Top headline on ITN News there. They're finally realising what's been said on here for ages. Tom Bradby was even quoting Ally Bongo... ha ha. I just copied and pasted his tweet well spotted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I would love it, absolutely love it if Labour were destroyed, in the next election, in any election. Id rather vote Tory than give those absolute bastards a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I would have Davidson and Curran declarations on a continuous loop for the priceless looks on their faces if they were booted oot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Looking at the political map that someone put on above, much as I would love to see this next May, I can't see the likes of the Border areas for example turning Nationalist. Large farm areas that have either voted Fib Dem or Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 As much as I despise the Tories, I would vote David Cameron over Ed Miliband for PM any day of the week. Wee Ed is not a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I would have Davidson and Curran declarations on a continuous loop for the priceless looks on their faces if they were booted oot. Sadly, Davidson's seat is one of the few that the poll forecasts Labour will retain. Wee Magrit's coat could well be on a shoogly peg though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 As much as I despise the Tories, I would vote David Cameron over Ed Miliband for PM any day of the week. Wee Ed is not a leader. Agreed. I'd vote anyone over that scumbag Labour mob. Phuqqing despise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I wouldn't completely rule out Davidson being papped, after more or less threatening his own constituents (BAE Govan) of no further MOD orders if they voted Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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