Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/14-11-07-statement-regarding-james-mcclean-2070059.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Whats your thoughts EK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Whats your thoughts EK? I think he's articulated his reasons very well and I think people should respect those reasons. I expect a lynch mob, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I think he's articulated his reasons very well and I think people should respect those reasons. I expect a lynch mob, though. Sorry, I meant your views on remembrance, not wearing a poppy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Sorry, I meant your views on remembrance, not wearing a poppy? I wear one, my dad served in WW2 and so did his m8s, some of whom didn't return. But it's been hijacked in recent years by people with, let's say, ulterior motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave the bankie Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Served in Londonderry before , during and after Bloody Sunday , 30 years in the Army , I do not wear a Poppy , I respect his view on the Poppy question , whether you wear one or not is entirerly up to yourself , I detest the " Americanisation " ( made up word ) of our Armed Forces as Heroes , we do a job that we are paid to do , as best we can under difficult circumstances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I wear one, my dad served in WW2 and so did his m8s, some of whom didn't return. Okay, thanks. I served for 10 years during the 80's FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I don't see why there would be a fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 "Ingrained in us from birth", that's why Northern Ireland can never truly move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Absolutely respect his decision with reasons like that. Not that I think for one minute he should have had to explain himself. Good on James McLean! I can't disagree with any of that post. I feel the same way with Afghanistan and Iraq that he does about Bloody Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Completely disagree with his stance and don't pretend to understand his thoughts. He does however have every right to wear, or not wear, a poppy so fair enough. It's a sad state of affairs that he actually needs to publicly explain it though - it's a personal choice and shouldn't require explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I think the poppy has been hi-jacked for political reasons in the bigger UK picture, and in Scottish football, so by proxy Northern Irish politics too. At the same time, I'm not sure if I respect him for standing his ground because I question his motives, is it attention seeking/rabble rousing? Edited to add: he shouldn't need to defend his decision regardless. Edited November 7, 2014 by sbcmfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Served in Londonderry before , during and after Bloody Sunday , 30 years in the Army , I do not wear a Poppy , I respect his view on the Poppy question , whether you wear one or not is entirerly up to yourself , I detest the " Americanisation " ( made up word ) of our Armed Forces as Heroes , we do a job that we are paid to do , as best we can under difficult circumstances Well said. I wear a poppy but the circus act at ibrox etc is demeaning IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Don't agree with him at all but his reasons are his own and they should be respected. This mock offendedness over personal choices really does my nut in. We seen it in abundance during the referendum and we see it year after year regards the poppy. These are of course two very recent examples and I'm sure we could come up with dozens more. The fact this is even news only serves to remind me what a pathetic society we have become at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If he doesn't want to wear a poppy, that's his perogative I think though that he's got his reasons for not wearing one completely wrong though. He sounds like a terrorist loving cOck who has childish political leanings. I thought we'd left people like him behind 20 years ago. Hoopy will be pleased though, he's now got the reaction the thread was designed to get.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The fact this is even news only serves to remind me what a pathetic society we have become at times. It's not news. It's only on here because Hoopy picked it up on a Celtic forum, and ran here with it trying to get a reaction. I've got no idea as well why this non-entity (McLean, not Hoopy) has to tell the world his opinion on poppy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If he doesn't want to wear a poppy, that's his perogative I think though that he's got his reasons for not wearing one completely wrong though. He sounds like a terrorist loving cOck who has childish political leanings. I thought we'd left people like him behind 20 years ago. That's what I was pussy footing around saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 It's not news. It's only on here because Hoopy picked it up on a Celtic forum, and ran here with it trying to get a reaction. I've got no idea as well why this non-entity (McLean, not Hoopy) has to tell the world his opinion on poppy day. Just about every national newspaper is running the story m8. They all lift it from a Tims forum I take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If he doesn't want to wear a poppy, that's his perogative I think though that he's got his reasons for not wearing one completely wrong though. He sounds like a terrorist loving cOck who has childish political leanings. I thought we'd left people like him behind 20 years ago. Hoopy will be pleased though, he's now got the reaction the thread was designed to get.... It's been on news, in papers etc. Mock outrage central. Probably from the folk who had a salmond effigy right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 If he doesn't want to wear a poppy, that's his perogative I think though that he's got his reasons for not wearing one completely wrong though. He sounds like a terrorist loving cOck who has childish political leanings. I thought we'd left people like him behind 20 years ago. Hoopy will be pleased though, he's now got the reaction the thread was designed to get.... Rossy, as usual, misses the point completely and comes across as someone who has either pretended to read his reasons, doesn't care about other people's reasons, or is deliberately offensive. It's a pity that Rossy's attitude wasn't left behind 20 years ago. Your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manewhut Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 My granny refused a poppy as her words "how does a wee flower replace her two brother and two uncles that were lost in the war" and her thoughts on how some football clubs that are using this now as some sort of selling points to fill their grounds she would find disgusting. It's remembrance Sunday, it's to remember the poor souls and their familys that were canon fodder and didn't have a clue why we want to remember, poor souls RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I always wanted a white one. Now thanks to the internet, we can get them, but I mind growing up I couldn't find where the white ones were from. Fair dues to McClean and I agree with pretty much 100% of what he or his solicitor wrote, but his Twitter from a few years back before he either deleted or didn't post further on it was very telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 My granny refused a poppy as her words "how does a wee flower replace her two brother and two uncles that were lost in the war" and her thoughts on how some football clubs that are using this now as some sort of selling points to fill their grounds she would find disgusting. It's remembrance Sunday, it's to remember the poor souls and their familys that were canon fodder and didn't have a clue why we want to remember, poor souls RIP. some clubs have world war 1 on their list of trophies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 First of all absolutely no-one should be forced to wear a poppy. "Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles –" is he speaking for the 644 civilians killed by the IRA? and the 272 RUC men and women? Leaving aside the 656 British soldiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 McLean's statement is nothing more than a confirmation of his political beliefs,,,,he even refuses to use 'northern Ireland' in his statement. I've no idea why this non-entities political leanings deserve any 'respect', or the oxygen of publicity. His team got thrashed again last night. Maybe he should concentrate more on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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