irnbruman Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Government to grant 50 million for this following recommendation from the cross party Holocaust Commission. In these austerity times it strikes me as a bit strange that money can be found for this. I would feel the same about any other religious group. No doubt there wont be any media criticism - as we all know where undue influence lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 What gets me is most times when I hear about the holocaust they usually only talk about the Jewish victims and don't mention all the other groups\minoritys who were persecuted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Id like to think it's a reminder of what the human race is capable of and to try and not let it happen again We have had similar genocidal acts based on prejudice and hate since World War 2 but not to the same state engineered industrialised rate so quite frankly the more we are reminded the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 No problem with this centre being there but surely it could be privately funded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 What gets me is most times when I hear about the holocaust they usually only talk about the Jewish victims and don't mention all the other groups\minoritys who were persecuted I always get suspicious when this line is used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Country Estimated Pre-War Jewish population Estimated killed Percent killed Poland 3,300,000 3,000,000 90 Baltic countries 253,000 228,000 90 Germany and Austria 240,000 210,000 90 Bohemia and Moravia 90,000 80,000 89 Slovakia 90,000 75,000 83 Greece 70,000 54,000 77 Netherlands 140,000 105,000 75 Hungary 650,000 450,000 70 Byelorussian SSR 375,000 245,000 65 Ukrainian SSR 1,500,000 900,000 60 Belgium 65,000 40,000 60 Yugoslavia 43,000 26,000 60 Romania 600,000 300,000 50 Norway 2,173 890 41 France 350,000 90,000 26 Bulgaria 64,000 14,000 22 Italy 40,000 8,000 20 Luxembourg 5,000 1,000 20 Russian SFSR 975,000 107,000 11 Denmark 8,000 52 1 Total 8,861,800 5,933,900 67 Victims Killed Jews 5.93 million Soviet POWs 2–3 million Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million Disabled 270,000 Romani 90,000–220,000 Freemasons 80,000–200,000 Slovenes 20,000–25,000 Homosexuals 5,000–15,000 Jehovah'sWitnesses 2,500–5,000 Spanish Republicans 7000 Just to put it into perspective Yes it wasnt only Jews that were persecuted but none were persecuted more Edited January 27, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Government to grant 50 million for this following recommendation from the cross party Holocaust Commission. In these austerity times it strikes me as a bit strange that money can be found for this. I would feel the same about any other religious group. No doubt there wont be any media criticism - as we all know where undue influence lies. Money well spent. I've never been so moved by something that hasn't impacted me personally, as I was when I visited Auschwitz/Burchenwald in October. We should never allow folk to forget what we're capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It'll prove an expensive, inefficient warning of human capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It'll prove an expensive, inefficient warning of human capabilities. but a warning all the same - better than just forgetting about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Money well spent. I've never been so moved by something that hasn't impacted me personally, as I was when I visited Auschwitz/Burchenwald in October. We should never allow folk to forget what we're capable of. Could not agree more was there in October myself very moving what those poor folk went trough was unbelievable and should never be forgotten has one survivor said today those that forget history tend to repeat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I always get suspicious when this line is used Why? At no point have I denied that Jews were killed. I totally agree that the vast majority killed\imprisoned were Jewish but its very very seldom you hear of the gypsies, Catholics, disabled etc that were killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 but a warning all the same - better than just forgetting about it Pressing information into gold leaf and having it delivered by White Ravens is also better than just forgetting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Why? At no point have I denied that Jews were killed. I totally agree that the vast majority killed\imprisoned were Jewish but its very very seldom you hear of the gypsies, Catholics, disabled etc that were killed. All of that is true. But majority rules. But it's important that people keep pointing out what you have pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why? At no point have I denied that Jews were killed. I totally agree that the vast majority killed\imprisoned were Jewish but its very very seldom you hear of the gypsies, Catholics, disabled etc that were killed. don't forget the gays and lesbians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It'll prove an expensive, inefficient warning of human capabilities. Agree waste if money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tam fae kofta Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Don't forget that Jane Haining from Dumfrieshire also died at Auschwitz2 camp, although the official line is that she died in the camp infirmary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Waste of money IMO, yeah yeah the Nazis were bad, committed some heinous crimes, we get it, move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why now? 70 years since the liberation of Auschwitz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 70 years since the liberation of Auschwitz? Why not 50th, or 25th...or 75th? Why do it on an anniversary at all - why not just build it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I await the memorials for the victims of genocide in Bosnia and Gaza and Syria - or is it too soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I await the memorials for the victims of genocide in Bosnia and Gaza and Syria - or is it too soon? There is the argument, and it is a fair one, that no genocide is any worse than another and that the end result is the same no matter the scale. I can see that argument and i agree with it to a point We are also aware of our history and what mankind is capable of - to each other and to animals All through human existance there have been acts of brutality and inhumanity especially in war - that is not up for debate However it is my opinion that there was something far different with the holocaust than any of the others before or since and it took the evil of what we are capable of to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why now? Government survey (if you believe them) found the majority of respondents didn't know basic facts about The Holocaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 http://www.yourish.com/2012/05/09/16229 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 There is the argument, and it is a fair one, that no genocide is any worse than another and that the end result is the same no matter the scale. I can see that argument and i agree with it to a point We are also aware of our history and what mankind is capable of - to each other and to animals All through human existance there have been acts of brutality and inhumanity especially in war - that is not up for debate However it is my opinion that there was something far different with the holocaust than any of the others before or since and it took the evil of what we are capable of to another level. Of course, it goes without saying. What irks me in particular is Israel carrying out to some extent what was inflicted on millions of Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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