Bino's Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) The whole bigging up of heroes in the last few years has been to detract from the more dubiously motivated conflicts that we've been involved in further back in time there was no need to constantly bang the heroes drum as it was universally accepted we were in the right Edited October 20, 2014 by Bino's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can't the MOD put the kybosh on this pish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can't the MOD put the kybosh on this pish? They won't cut it completely but there's been a directive come out about acceptable behaviour and the numbers attending have been reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddybuc16 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) The whole bigging up of heroes in the last few years has been to detract from the more dubiously motivated conflicts that we've been involved in further back in time there was no need to constantly bang the heroes drum as it was universally accepted we were in the right That about sums it up. No just at ibrox, all over the place. I may not look it (not a word) but i am old enough to remember when the only time we remembered/celebrated the armed forces was november 18th. Edited October 20, 2014 by daddybuc16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 That about sums it up. No just at ibrox, all over the place. I may not look it (not a word) but i am old enough to remember when the only time we remembered/celebrated the armed forces was november 18th. 11th? I agree that Bino's right, certainly the first bit. Whether or not the earlier conflicts were 'universally' accepted to be right, we just didn't big things up back in the day. I blame Lady Di's driver. It's also the influence of the USA - forces fetishization is rampant over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddybuc16 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) 11th? I agree that Bino's right, certainly the first bit. Whether or not the earlier conflicts were 'universally' accepted to be right, we just didn't big things up back in the day. I blame Lady Di's driver. It's also the influence of the USA - forces fetishization is rampant over there. Apologies. Feck knows why i had the 18th in mind. Probably means i have something important to do that i will probably forget about until the 27th that will land me in trouble wi the wife. Edited October 20, 2014 by daddybuc16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I wonder if there are kids signing up who now expect more respect than was afforded in the past, as a result of the officially sanctioned heroes narrative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynnyboy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's been a propaganda machine orchestrated by the governments of the day to make people think twice about critising their financial based decisions in going to war. If we critise the wars "we" involve ourselves in them we are being disrespectful to the Heroes who put their lives on the line for us, for a wage and a pension. There is little doubt as to the reason rangers embroil themselves in it. It's clear to all looking in and observing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's been a propaganda machine orchestrated by the governments of the day to make people think twice about critising their financial based decisions in going to war. If we critise the wars "we" involve ourselves in them we are being disrespectful to the Heroes who put their lives on the line for us, for a wage and a pension. There is little doubt as to the reason rangers embroil themselves in it. It's clear to all looking in and observing. Nail on head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well that added a lot. On the bore scale it's an 8. Get a room will you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaddypeekey Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I wonder if there are kids signing up who now expect more respect than was afforded in the past, as a result of the officially sanctioned heroes narrative? Doubt it. Nobody I know who's serving classifies themselves as a "hero". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) 11th? I agree that Bino's right, certainly the first bit. Whether or not the earlier conflicts were 'universally' accepted to be right, we just didn't big things up back in the day. I blame Lady Di's driver. It's also the influence of the USA - forces fetishization is rampant over there. Those pesky yanks are also responsible for people using Z when everyone knows it should be an S !! its bloody annoying ;-) Edited October 21, 2014 by Nobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Those pesky yanks are also responsible for people using Z when everone knows it should be an S !! its bloody annoying ;-) Uh oh..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Those pesky yanks are also responsible for people using Z when everyone knows it should be an S !! its bloody annoying ;-) *sigh* Uh oh..... I know. Still, I don't think I've given the lecture on this version of the board. I'll try to keep it brief. Nobby, the -ize suffix is not an Americanization. It was the standard form in British English until the mid 20th century. It is also the 'more correct' form. The suffix comes originally from the Greek in which language it was was formed using the letter zeta (ζ) which transliterates into English as z. For some reason, the French form -ise started increasingly to appear in print following WWI, and it became the dominant form after WWII precisely because people assumed that -ize was an American import (the original form continued to be used in the States). The better British publishing houses (eg: Oxford University Press, Faber) still use -ize, and the OED gives it as the primary spelling - if I look up, say, 'real...' in my 2008 edition of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states: "realize or realise". It was also, rather tellingly, the form used by the Times until that once proud journal was bought by Murdoch. Edited October 21, 2014 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 *sigh* I know. Still, I don't think I've given the lecture on this version of the board. I'll try to keep it brief. Nobby, the -ize suffix is not an Americanization. It was the standard form in British English until the mid 20th century. It is also the 'more correct' form. The suffix comes originally from the Greek in which language it was was formed using the letter zeta (ζ) which transliterates into English as z. For some reason, the French form -ise started increasingly to appear in print following WWI, and it became the dominant form after WWII precisely because people assumed that -ize was an American import (the original form continued to be used in the States). The better British publishing houses (eg: Oxford University Press, Faber) still use -ize, and the OED gives it as the primary spelling - if I look up, say, 'real...' in my 2008 edition of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states: "realize or realise". It was also, rather tellingly, the form used by the Times until that once proud journal was bought by Murdoch. Should that no be Concize then? Too many daft rules in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think he was winding Donny up as already had the lecture, plus he put a winkey smilie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Should that no be Concize then? Too many daft rules in English. No, the -ise in Concise isn't a suffix - you can tell this because there's no such word as 'Conc'. Compare, for example, 'realize', 'organize' or 'Americanize'. Plain and simple, nowt daft about it at all. (one slightly confusing one is 'advertise', but that's because 'advert' is a contraction rather than a proper root). I think he was winding Donny up as already had the lecture, plus he put a winkey smilie. I refuse to acknowledge the winky smilie. Still looks like a stroke victim to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 *sigh* I know. Still, I don't think I've given the lecture on this version of the board. I'll try to keep it brief. Nobby, the -ize suffix is not an Americanization. It was the standard form in British English until the mid 20th century. It is also the 'more correct' form. The suffix comes originally from the Greek in which language it was was formed using the letter zeta (ζ) which transliterates into English as z. For some reason, the French form -ise started increasingly to appear in print following WWI, and it became the dominant form after WWII precisely because people assumed that -ize was an American import (the original form continued to be used in the States). The better British publishing houses (eg: Oxford University Press, Faber) still use -ize, and the OED gives it as the primary spelling - if I look up, say, 'real...' in my 2008 edition of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states: "realize or realise". It was also, rather tellingly, the form used by the Times until that once proud journal was bought by Murdoch. Interesting stuff. What about the likes of honour/honor and rumour/rumor etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I refuse to acknowledge the winky smilie. Still looks like a stroke victim to me. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 *sigh* I know. Still, I don't think I've given the lecture on this version of the board. I'll try to keep it brief. Nobby, the -ize suffix is not an Americanization. It was the standard form in British English until the mid 20th century. It is also the 'more correct' form. The suffix comes originally from the Greek in which language it was was formed using the letter zeta (ζ) which transliterates into English as z. For some reason, the French form -ise started increasingly to appear in print following WWI, and it became the dominant form after WWII precisely because people assumed that -ize was an American import (the original form continued to be used in the States). The better British publishing houses (eg: Oxford University Press, Faber) still use -ize, and the OED gives it as the primary spelling - if I look up, say, 'real...' in my 2008 edition of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states: "realize or realise". It was also, rather tellingly, the form used by the Times until that once proud journal was bought by Murdoch.[/quot Donny, apologies if you've done nothing else today you've educated this ignorant Englishman. I will stop getting stressed reading our American cousins documents immediately !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No, the -ise in Concise isn't a suffix - you can tell this because there's no such word as 'Conc'. Compare, for example, 'realize', 'organize' or 'Americanize'. Plain and simple, nowt daft about it at all. (one slightly confusing one is 'advertise', but that's because 'advert' is a contraction rather than a proper root). I refuse to acknowledge the winky smilie. Still looks like a stroke victim to me. I used to use the word "Conc" on almost a daily basis. It was an abbreviation though. Is an abbreviation not a word then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Interesting stuff. What about the likes of honour/honor and rumour/rumor etc? Those are bona fide Americanisms - courtesy of Noah Webster. Edited October 21, 2014 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I used to use the word "Conc" on almost a daily basis. It was an abbreviation though. Is an abbreviation not a word then? It's not a 'root' word, and suffixes are attached to roots. And Nobby: no bother. Thing is, hardly any bugger knows this anymore; particularly English teachers - to their shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 It's not a 'root' word, and suffixes are attached to roots. And Nobby: no bother. Thing is, hardly any bugger knows this anymore; particularly English teachers - to their shame. To be fair, if it was actually that important somebody would have invented the spell checker centuries ago. As long as folk understand what you mean, the spelling bit isn't that important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 To be fair, if it was actually that important somebody would have invented the spell checker centuries ago. As long as folk understand what you mean, the spelling bit isn't that important. I agree. Nothing wrong with using 'realise' / 'organise' etc, it's just that the '-ize' version unnecessarily gets people's backs up. And that's not their fault, it's the parlous state of English teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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