Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I was kinda hoping he would be pro Corbyn and on the opposite side of McTernan He was ! I don't think you need to be on the same side as McTernan to be considered a dick by a Labour Party member . The comrade I asked was part of LFI, his "dick" could have been nationalistic... His answer, not his penis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 And who instigated that discussion and why do you think they did ? He was clearly taken aback when the question was posed and didnt really know how to answer it suggesting he is not as much as a marxist as the BBC would like to make out Hard to believe that any self respecting Marxist would have anything to do with the Labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 I have missed the last few weeks due to work and holidays... just watched Corbyn on Marr and was amazed by how much he seemed to be spouting the common weal of 2012... nothing original but what bothered me was his chit-chat about Marx - what really ? a bit Rik Mayell 1983... not a serious player, was hoping for Syriza, turned out to be SSP Policy wise there's a lot of similarities between them. Corbyn just is a bit older with a beard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Hard to believe that any self respecting Marxist would have anything to do with the Labour party. "If after years of pro-capitalist policies of New Labour, workers show no intention of breaking with the Labour Party, this shows precisely the deep roots the party has in the working class." - Rob Sewell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Skip the introduction which is the first 16 mins. First 2 mins after shows Greece and Ireland weren't overspending prior to the crash and their debt levels to GDP have increased since austerity measures have been applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 "If after years of pro-capitalist policies of New Labour, workers show no intention of breaking with the Labour Party, this shows precisely the deep roots the party has in the working class." - Rob Sewell Is Rob Sewell one of your mates doon the pub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Utterly pointless electing Corbyn. The UK and the Labour Party itself don't have the stomach for the fight to achieve what he believes in. He's by far best candidate, but these days, for every Corbyn there's 100 McTernan's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Is Rob Sewell one of your mates doon the pub? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Utterly pointless electing Corbyn. The UK and the Labour Party itself don't have the stomach for the fight to achieve what he believes in. He's by far best candidate, but these days, for every Corbyn there's 100 McTernan's. In positions of power within the party, i agree. This leadership contest however shows that within the party a sa whole, that simply isn't the case. People high up in the party care about power and winning elections. Many ordinary members care about traditional Labour values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Utterly pointless electing Corbyn. The UK and the Labour Party itself don't have the stomach for the fight to achieve what he believes in. He's by far best candidate, but these days, for every Corbyn there's 100 McTernan's. In positions of power within the party, i agree. This leadership contest however shows that within the party a sa whole, that simply isn't the case. People high up in the party care about power and winning elections. Many ordinary members care about traditional Labour values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 In positions of power within the party, i agree. This leadership contest however shows that within the party a sa whole, that simply isn't the case. People high up in the party care about power and winning elections. Many ordinary members care about traditional Labour values. So true it had to be said twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/andy-burnham-pledges-autonomous-scottish-labour-1-3846027 Will likely see Burnham continue to lead in Scottish CLP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Hard to believe that any self respecting Marxist would have anything to do with the Labour party. Politics make strange bedfellows they say/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Politics make strange bedfellows they say/ *Shudder* Stick in Sir Brian Souter and you have a real recipe for progressiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) In positions of power within the party, i agree. This leadership contest however shows that within the party a sa whole, that simply isn't the case. People high up in the party care about power and winning elections. Many ordinary members care about traditional Labour values.This is it in a nutshell, spot on.And this is why Labour voters are deserting the party and the "soft" Tory voters they are chasing will never trust them. Labour are finished and they brought it on themselves. Edited July 31, 2015 by DaveyDenoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 This is it in a nutshell, spot on. And this is why Labour voters are deserting the party and the "soft" Tory voters they are chasing will never trust them. Labour are finished and they brought it on themselves. I could argue electing Corbyn as leader is the start of ordinary members reclaiming their party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) I could argue electing Corbyn as leader is the start of ordinary members reclaiming their party.You'd like to think so. Whatever your political view I think both Scotland and the UK need a strong and principled Labour Party. I fear however that electing Corbyn might just be too little too late and I have little doubt it would be the start of internal wrangling so great as to blow the party apart.The 'power at all costs' element within Labour Party these days are too many in number to allow the party to reclaim its traditional ground and I wonder now if the traditional labour voter will ever trust them again. If Corbyn does win the leadership race (against an almighty powerful machine hell bent on preventing him doing so) then those at the helm will do everything they can to undermine him. The irony is they won't begin to understand the real damage that would do. Edited July 31, 2015 by DaveyDenoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Politics make strange bedfellows they say/ I'm pretty sure neither of them have ever claimed to be Marxists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Utterly pointless electing Corbyn. The UK and the Labour Party itself don't have the stomach for the fight to achieve what he believes in. He's by far best candidate, but these days, for every Corbyn there's 100 McTernan's. You could argue that it's utterly pointless for them to elect anybody. The Tories will win the next 2 elections without having to try very hard. That means another 15 years of Tory rule. If your user name is anywhere near accurate then you'll be past caring by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 You could argue that it's utterly pointless for them to elect anybody. The Tories will win the next 2 elections without having to try very hard. That means another 15 years of Tory rule. Thats the Union Dividend..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm pretty sure neither of them have ever claimed to be Marxists. Nae bother Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm pretty sure neither of them have ever claimed to be Marxists. One of them has a parody based on them using the term "SexySocialism" that has become so viral that many the mentalist believe it applies. That parody creator WILL be remembered come the revolution*. *With a heavy heart as it is pretty damn funny. Sadly there's just so many thick folk in Scotland that it's become dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Nae bother Trigger. Neigh bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 With the final count at 18 CLP's last night Corbyn has finished top in Scotland as well as England and Wales... There goes my Scotland are right and Englan 7 Wales are Left angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 With the final count at 18 CLP's last night Corbyn has finished top in Scotland as well as England and Wales... There goes my Scotland are right and Englan 7 Wales are Left angle It is funny, though, that UK Labour could soon have its most radical leader in over 30 years, and Scottish Labour have a choice between two fairly bland, identikit, New Labour types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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