thplinth Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Was going to post this in the science thread...thought you might find it interesting Scotty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Was going to post this in the science thread...thought you might find it interesting Scotty. Not seen this one he was on the Joe Rogan Podcast a few weeks back and i ended up listening to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 6, 2014 Author Share Posted December 6, 2014 Not seen this one he was on the Joe Rogan Podcast a few weeks back and i ended up listening to him. He is a distinguished, highly qualified & experienced professional scientist himself. But he is also very amusing and a class act. I preferred his delivery in this lecture but the sound is poor for the first 30 mins with someone coughing but if you can get past that it is also good - almost exactly the same lecture. (By the way I know you follow this but 7 seconds...that is an eternity. http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decide) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-illusion-of-free-will More info here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-illusion-of-free-will More info here. In Cold Blood part 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Not seen this one he was on the Joe Rogan Podcast a few weeks back and i ended up listening to him. Joe Rogan has some great guests on his podcast. Unfortunately he does my head so much i can`t listen any more. Chris Ryan`s Tangentially Speaking is very good if you like that type of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Was going to post this in the science thread...thought you might find it interesting Scotty. That's a wee bit too philosophical for my taste. I only managed the first 20 minutes, so I could be havering here, but he seems to be assuming that there is a purpose. Maybe there is no purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Joe Rogan has some great guests on his podcast. Unfortunately he does my head so much i can`t listen any more. Chris Ryan`s Tangentially Speaking is very good if you like that type of thing. Yeah i've watched maybe 10 out of the last 150, , yeah heard of Chris ryan not picked up on his podcast yet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Watched this tonight - interesting stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04tr9x9/the-secrets-of-quantum-physics-1-einsteins-nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Watched this tonight - interesting stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04tr9x9/the-secrets-of-quantum-physics-1-einsteins-nightmare . Edited December 10, 2014 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Watched this tonight - interesting stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04tr9x9/the-secrets-of-quantum-physics-1-einsteins-nightmare Much prefer his presentation style to Professor Brian Cox, 1st time I've seen him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Much prefer his presentation style to Professor Brian Cox, 1st time I've seen him. Aye, he is one of my favourite presenters. Part 2 is on next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 The experiment that gets me is the one where they fire a single electron at a time at the slots and it produces a wave interference pattern. . But then if you watch which slot it goes through it then produces a stream of particles pattern. Don't watch the slot, it changes to a wave pattern.... All because you watch which slot it went through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The experiment that gets me is the one where they fire a single electron at a time at the slots and it produces a wave interference pattern. . But then if you watch which slot it goes through it then produces a stream of particles pattern. Don't watch the slot, it changes to a wave pattern.... All because you watch which slot it went through. I have never managed to get my head round that one. They are obviously not explaining it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 They are obviously not understanding it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 They are obviously not understanding it properly. I hadn't thought of it that way but now you mention it, that must be the obvious conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Watched this tonight - interesting stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04tr9x9/the-secrets-of-quantum-physics-1-einsteins-nightmare That was good. So reality effectively 'resolves' as we observe it. Oooookaaaay. Anyway why is that idea so weird I wonder, such a leap, after Physics invented 96% of all matter (and then called it 'dark' to explain how they could not see it) just to get their equations to work out. Nothing exists for sure until an conscious entity observes it. I find it quite an easy idea in comparison... However I suspect conventional science is shitting itself that after a campaign of relentless extermination it may have reinvented a sense of 'spirit' by the back door. Edited December 11, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 I guess the only question left now that all of the observable universe only physically manifests when we observe it is, are you (i.e. other conscious observers) an 'independent' observing consciousness capable of sustaining this reality when I say, leave the room, or have a nap, or am I ultimately manifesting all of you also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Do you know nothing about wave particle duality? It couldn't be simpler. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/mar/14/feynmans-double-slit-experiment-gets-a-makeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I guess the only question left now that all of the observable universe only physically manifests when we observe it is, are you (i.e. other conscious observers) an 'independent' observing consciousness capable of sustaining this reality when I say, leave the room, or have a nap, or am I ultimately manifesting all of you also. There will never be an "only question left". Every time we think we have answered one question it leads to dozens more new questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) There will never be an "only question left". Every time we think we have answered one question it leads to dozens more new questions. Did you see the bit where he was in the pool with the wave generator and he said something like if you stand in the sea you know the difference between a wave and a particle. Do you? The wave particle paradox is nothing more than an expression of the hypothesized fact that E = M. The fact energy = mass is the paradox, waves and particles are just the two sides of the equation. edit: Mass is just a trick that Energy learned. Edited December 12, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Do you know nothing about wave particle duality? It couldn't be simpler. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/mar/14/feynmans-double-slit-experiment-gets-a-makeover No, he doesn't. Nor does he actually want to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 No, he doesn't. Nor does he actually want to learn. Yeah, you are so 'learned' yet your mind is so closed. You prowl any non conformist scientific ideas like a bunch of political officers aboard a soviet sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-digital-information-unifies-quantum-mechanics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Thought I would resurrect this thread after watching this on iPlayer earlier. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xxgbn/horizon-20102011-9-what-is-reality I know the square root of jack shit about quantum physics and the like, but it doesn't stop me being fascinated by this kind of programme. I have heard about the duel slit experiment before, but some of the other theories in there were a proper headfvck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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