Toepoke Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 30 years ago a striker like Rhodes would've been playing at the likes of Man Utd or Arsenal. A symptom of what we're now up against in Scottish football sadly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 If he isn't good enough now, what makes you think he would have been then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 30 years ago a striker like Rhodes would've been playing at the likes of Man Utd or Arsenal. A symptom of what we're now up against in Scottish football sadly... I have no idea what that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I have no idea what that means. I think it's pretty bloody obvious what it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I have no idea what that means. Possibly a reference to the fashion for 'foreign' players of an athletic nature who can 'link' and 'hold up' etc, as opposed to valuing a poacher type ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Pretty much. Since the EPL became a global stage it's almost impossible for Scottish players to get a shot at the top clubs. Would the likes of Alan Brazil, Graeme Sharp, Gordon Durie etc. succeed at the very top of English football now? I'd doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Eagle Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Pretty much. Since the EPL became a global stage it's almost impossible for Scottish players to get a shot at the top clubs. Would the likes of Alan Brazil, Graeme Sharp, Gordon Durie etc. succeed at the very top of English football now? I'd doubt it. Naw - they're all way too old Edited October 17, 2015 by Tartan Eagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewolf_1980 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 It's commendable that Rhodes keeps turning up (Gibraltar game aside) but for how long? I can see another Steven Fletcher scenario on our hands when he 'retires' from international duty because he never gets game time. The next wheen of friendlies are therefore very important for experimentation and that must surely include Rhodes. That said, he scored against Australia and Luxembourg in previous friendlies and still doesn't get a look in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Naw - they're all way too old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Pretty much. Since the EPL became a global stage it's almost impossible for Scottish players to get a shot at the top clubs. Would the likes of Alan Brazil, Graeme Sharp, Gordon Durie etc. succeed at the very top of English football now? I'd doubt it. They may need to adapt some parts of their game. Would Mark Hughes or Gary Lineker be able to play at the very top? They would also need to adjust. It's some wacky dream you have had to think Jordan Rhodes could ever have played for Man U or Arsenal. He isn't good enough in any era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 They may need to adapt some parts of their game. Would Mark Hughes or Gary Lineker be able to play at the very top? They would also need to adjust. It's some wacky dream you have had to think Jordan Rhodes could ever have played for Man U or Arsenal. He isn't good enough in any era. Unless you're going to tell me that you're a Blackburn season ticket holder, I'm willing to bet you haven't got the first clue how good he is or isn't. I actually make an effort to see as much of the boy as I can and I haven't seen nearly enough of him to make a proper judgement. Blackburn seem to be rarely on the telly. I think all his supporters on here want is for him to be given as much of a chance as others have to either prove himself or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Unless you're going to tell me that you're a Blackburn season ticket holder, I'm willing to bet you haven't got the first clue how good he is or isn't. I actually make an effort to see as much of the boy as I can and I haven't seen nearly enough of him to make a proper judgement. Blackburn seem to be rarely on the telly. I think all his supporters on here want is for him to be given as much of a chance as others have to either prove himself or not. He doesn't play in some 3rd rate league in the Australian outback. His performances are being closely watched by Strachan and his group of coaches on a weekly basis. No need to pretend he is some poor soul who doesn't get included in the invitations. He is given exactly the same chance as everyone else, he just isn't good enough. And all this after an all round outstanding display from Fletcher which Rhodes simply could not replicate. He is a slightly overweight very good finisher. Unfortunately it takes more than that at the top level. Ask Kris Boyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 He doesn't play in some 3rd rate league in the Australian outback. His performances are being closely watched by Strachan and his group of coaches on a weekly basis. No need to pretend he is some poor soul who doesn't get included in the invitations. He is given exactly the same chance as everyone else, he just isn't good enough. And all this after an all round outstanding display from Fletcher which Rhodes simply could not replicate. He is a slightly overweight very good finisher. Unfortunately it takes more than that at the top level. Ask Kris Boyd. So like I said, you've no idea. Glad we cleared that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 So like I said, you've no idea. Glad we cleared that up. Marky boy, it's a football message board where people have different opinions. No need to get all schoolboy when we don't high five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowden soldier Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I'm guessing the premiership managers and their scouts know better than anyone on this message board - they can't all be wrong - that's why he is still where he is. As for getting a chance - I'm assuming starchan is in agreement with the above mentioned. I would love to be proved wrong, but I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenmcn Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 I'm guessing the premiership managers and their scouts know better than anyone on this message board - they can't all be wrong - that's why he is still where he is. Not necessarily. Nobody took a risk on Richie Lambert or Charlie Austin, both of whom scored goals plenty of goals in the lower leagues and continued to do reasonably well in the EPL when they got there. Maybe its just not cool to have British strikers at clubs in the Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Marky boy, it's a football message board where people have different opinions. No need to get all schoolboy when we don't high five. Sorry mate. Nothing schoolboy about it. I was waiting for you to tell me how you had this wealth of knowledge about Rhodes ability and you didn't. You merely said that strachan and his staff get to see him regularly. I never doubted that. I was more curious as to how you were such an expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Sorry mate. Nothing schoolboy about it. I was waiting for you to tell me how you had this wealth of knowledge about Rhodes ability and you didn't. You merely said that strachan and his staff get to see him regularly. I never doubted that. I was more curious as to how you were such an expert. By your methods, all opinions on players would be rendered pointless and the threads would immediately close. How can anyone have an opinion on Fletcher or Anya without you telling them they have 'no idea' and that the person must be an 'expert' to give an opinion. I have an opinion on Rhodes and it's that he's too heavy and he couldn't make the step up. Strachan agrees and doesn't care how precious you feel about him. A quick look sees you have made detailed suggestions about James Forrest and Matt Ritchie. What makes you an expert on these guys? The hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) A quick look sees you have made detailed suggestions about James Forrest and Matt Ritchie. What makes you an expert on these guys? The hypocrisy. Whataboutery. Edited October 18, 2015 by killiefaetheferry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 By your methods, all opinions on players would be rendered pointless and the threads would immediately close. How can anyone have an opinion on Fletcher or Anya without you telling them they have 'no idea' and that the person must be an 'expert' to give an opinion. I have an opinion on Rhodes and it's that he's too heavy and he couldn't make the step up. Strachan agrees and doesn't care how precious you feel about him. A quick look sees you have made detailed suggestions about James Forrest and Matt Ritchie. What makes you an expert on these guys? The hypocrisy. No, I can have an opinion on Fletcher and Anya because both have had plenty of opportunity for Scotland so I can make a judgement, plus Fletcher has played in the EPL for years so I get to see him regularly. The whole point I'm making is that Rhodes hasnt had the same opportunity so I have no idea if he is good enough or not. I merely suspect that neither do you. As for Forrest I see him play regularly as Celtic are never off the bloody telly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) No, I can have an opinion on Fletcher and Anya because both have had plenty of opportunity for Scotland so I can make a judgement, plus Fletcher has played in the EPL for years so I get to see him regularly. The whole point I'm making is that Rhodes hasnt had the same opportunity so I have no idea if he is good enough or not. I merely suspect that neither do you. As for Forrest I see him play regularly as Celtic are never off the bloody telly. Edited October 18, 2015 by hauniscots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 No, I can have an opinion on Fletcher and Anya because both have had plenty of opportunity for Scotland so I can make a judgement, plus Fletcher has played in the EPL for years so I get to see him regularly. The whole point I'm making is that Rhodes hasnt had the same opportunity so I have no idea if he is good enough or not. I merely suspect that neither do you. As for Forrest I see him play regularly as Celtic are never off the bloody telly. I have seen more of Rhodes than I have of Anya and Ritchie. Am I not allowed an opinion of all 3? Can you give a list of who we are allowed an opinion on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Not necessarily. Nobody took a risk on Richie Lambert or Charlie Austin, both of whom scored goals plenty of goals in the lower leagues and continued to do reasonably well in the EPL when they got there. Maybe its just not cool to have British strikers at clubs in the Premiership. "British" strikers did move and were subject to interest during the transfer window. Although he'll be out injured for ages now, Danny Ings is the first that springs to mind. There was loads of interest from other EPL clubs in Charlie Austin. The problem was that QPR reputedly wanted £15,000,000 for him. You might have missed it but West Brom did "take a risk" on Ricky Lambert. They signed him for £3,000,000 and on a two year contract. Leicester's Jamie Vardy and West Brom's Saido Berahino had a few clubs interested also. Again it was their clubs demanding big money that stopped them moving. Steven Naismith almost moved to Norwich on deadline day. Edited October 18, 2015 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I have seen more of Rhodes than I have of Anya and Ritchie. Am I not allowed an opinion of all 3? Can you give a list of who we are allowed an opinion on. Curious to know how you've seen more of Rhodes than Anya unless you're a Blackburn fan or don't watch Scotland but I'll take your word for it. For what it's worth, you're allowed an opinion on any player you like. Just as I'm allowed an opinion of your opinion. To use your words, isn't that what a football forum is all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenmcn Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) "British" strikers did move and were subject to interest during the transfer window. Although he'll be out injured for ages now, Danny Ings is the first that springs to mind. There was loads of interest from other EPL clubs in Charlie Austin. The problem was that QPR reputedly wanted £15,000,000 for him. You might have missed it but West Brom did "take a risk" on Ricky Lambert. They signed him for £3,000,000 and on a two year contract. Leicester's Jamie Vardy and West Brom's Saido Berahino had a few clubs interested also. Again it was their clubs demanding big money that stopped them moving. Steven Naismith almost moved to Norwich on deadline day. So, one transfer and four almosts is risk taking? How many foreign strikers were brought in in the same windows? And WBA didn't take any risk with Lambert, he had already proven he could score in the EPL. A risk would have been buying him three years ago when he had "only" been scoring in the Championship, similar to Rhodes. Edited October 18, 2015 by stevenmcn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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