Marky Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 On tHis week, yet again the idea of the Scottish tail wagging the British dog coming up again I don't recall this particular creature being the model for the UK last year. "Please stay, as our beloved tail, but only we're allowed to do the wagging" Don't know if I'm looking at this too simplistically, but what problem do the English have with approximately 10% of the population being properly represented in approximately 10% of the seats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Sanjeev did a decent job of ripping into that ultra right wing historian geezer. Dianne Abbot fancies oor Nicola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Dimbleyby is an utter twat. See I'm being polite now. Well done. :-) Onto Andrew Neil now , shower of patronising khunts That lasted well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well done. :-) That lasted well. Considering who he was talking about I think that was fairly polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 Don't know if I'm looking at this too simplistically, but what problem do the English have with approximately 10% of the population being properly represented in approximately 10% of the seats? I think the problem they see - which I get, up to a point - is a combination of FPTP which could allow 45% of vote win 90% of seats in Scotland, multiplied up by a hung parliament scenario where that 10% dictates the terms of the government of the other 90%. In other words 4% (say 45% of 8.5%) of the electorate dictating terms or the whole of the UK. Where this falls down is that the 4% is never actually dictating terms, as if the dreaded Nicola (not even an MP!) could cancel Trident, and get UK kicked out of the security council, etc. If it came to that, to anything that fatally undermined the UK or nakedly favoured Scotland over England, all that would happen is tht the Tories would back Labour and get the vote through. In that sense Scotland couldn't have England over a barrel, unless it was something that Labour actually was quite happy to go along with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I think the problem they see - which I get, up to a point - is a combination of FPTP which could allow 45% of vote win 90% of seats in Scotland, multiplied up by a hung parliament scenario where that 10% dictates the terms of the government of the other 90%. In other words 4% (say 45% of 8.5%) of the electorate dictating terms or the whole of the UK. Where this falls down is that the 4% is never actually dictating terms, as if the dreaded Nicola (not even an MP!) could cancel Trident, and get UK kicked out of the security council, etc. If it came to that, to anything that fatally undermined the UK or nakedly favoured Scotland over England, all that would happen is tht the Tories would back Labour and get the vote through. In that sense Scotland couldn't have England over a barrel, unless it was something that Labour actually was quite happy to go along with. I get their point too. However, lest forget, we are equal partners in the glorious Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I still think the Tories will win enough seats to be able to continue with the current coalition. They might even sneak a small absolute majority? But if we assume that the polls are correct then to me it's looking more and more like the result of the election will lead to a ConLab coalition. I don't know how much the voters down south will like that, but it will sure stir things up in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I get their point too. However, lest forget, we are equal partners in the glorious Union. I might have more of a point if they hadn't been happy with the system before another non-unionist party looked like benefiting from it. They have resisted reform because they have been happy with it all this time so to be honest it is now a case of tough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I might have more of a point if they hadn't been happy with the system before another non-unionist party looked like benefiting from it. They have resisted reform because they have been happy with it all this time so to be honest it is now a case of tough! Yes, agree with that fully. Is Flatty deid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthTam Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I think the problem they see - which I get, up to a point - is a combination of FPTP which could allow 45% of vote win 90% of seats in Scotland, multiplied up by a hung parliament scenario where that 10% dictates the terms of the government of the other 90%. In other words 4% (say 45% of 8.5%) of the electorate dictating terms or the whole of the UK. Where this falls down is that the 4% is never actually dictating terms, as if the dreaded Nicola (not even an MP!) could cancel Trident, and get UK kicked out of the security council, etc. If it came to that, to anything that fatally undermined the UK or nakedly favoured Scotland over England, all that would happen is tht the Tories would back Labour and get the vote through. In that sense Scotland couldn't have England over a barrel, unless it was something that Labour actually was quite happy to go along with. It wasn't a problem when the LibDems joined the Tories 5 years ago. It was OK when it suited the establishment then so tough - it is what you get now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yes, agree with that fully. Is Flatty deid? He's moonlighting as Flure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) I still think the Tories will win enough seats to be able to continue with the current coalition. They might even sneak a small absolute majority? But if we assume that the polls are correct then to me it's looking more and more like the result of the election will lead to a ConLab coalition. I don't know how much the voters down south will like that, but it will sure stir things up in Scotland. Aye, thats my fear, 1992 ish all over again Tories 185 seats, UU 9 seats libs 35 seats approx... thats a majority of continuation of current coalition with some UU support. thats is not far from what the polls are predicting Edited April 24, 2015 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Aye, thats my fear, 1992 ish all over again Tories 185 seats, UU 9 seats libs 35 seats approx... thats a majority of continuation of current coalition with some UU support. thats is not far from what the polls are predicting good if the snp were involved in any deal, even on a vote by vote basis, support would drain best being in opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yep he's kinda bland , but when surrounded by clowns probably best. Better than Salmond in this scenario He has actually really grown on me. I don't think he is really that bland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Aye, thats my fear, 1992 ish all over again Tories 185 seats, UU 9 seats libs 35 seats approx... thats a majority of continuation of current coalition with some UU support. thats is not far from what the polls are predicting That scares me. Only thing worse would be bringing in UKIP into that scenario. UU in UK Government would be inflamitory to those in NI who have MPs who dont take up their seats. I pray that the Libs get decimated, problem is (like in my consistuncy and many others in the South West) they are just switching to Tory. So from a Lib Dem seat it looks like I will get a Tory MP. No chance of the Lib Dem voters moving to Labour, so it seems that for Labour to benifit they need to be in a two way or a three way marginal with the Libs. Simply not the case in the South West. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sanjeev did a decent job of ripping into that ultra right wing historian geezer. Dianne Abbot fancies oor Nicola. Hardeep. Thought he was good as well, This Week was decent last night. Worth checking out Newsnight too with Tom Devine and Alex Massie's views on the situation up here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 11pm tonight on BBC2 is a good show placed at the end of Newsnight. Been on last couple of weeks and had some interesting commentators on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 That wig wearing dragon needs to be educated , We english give you the cash to run Scotland that's why you balanced your budget ! WTF ! Keith Brown snp done well , should huv telt her but . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 This is very boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That wig wearing dragon needs to be educated , We english give you the cash to run Scotland that's why you balanced your budget ! WTF ! Keith Brown snp done well , should huv telt her but . Who was the wig wearing dragon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Hilary from Dragons Den was on the Newsnight programme last friday at 11pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Does Ed always have to say "That's a great question and I'll answer it directly"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ed not doing very well .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narey1-0 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ed's in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Goggsy the gold seller getting a slagging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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