Paco Mcsheepie

[antidote]

Typical pseudo unionists on here jumping in before they know the facts.

They actually take in what what the unionist biased press want them to believe.

[Scunnered]

So where is the bar? Mainstream established political parties is where the bar is that and therefore the barometer rests with Labour and the Tories and the rest. Of course it does - what a ridiculous statement to make as if a new line has now been drawn.........

If SNP supporters want to spread the myth that they're super squeaky clean and better behaved than their opponents, then they have to behave accordingly.

Typical pseudo unionists on here jumping in before they know the facts.

They actually take in what what the unionist biased press want them to believe.

What on earth are you on about? The candidate admitted he was out of order, he apologised profusely, he pleaded that he has now changed. Is he part of the "Unionist Press"?

[Lamia]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-serious-case-of-hypocrisy/

If these are the only tweets then it just shows how easy it is to manipulate by just interpreting things in any way you like.

[Scunnered]

If these are the only tweets then it just shows how easy it is to manipulate by just interpreting things in any way you like.

They're not the only tweets, the account was active from 2012 and was only closed yesterday. There's a variety of different tweets being shown by various outlets, but I've not actually seen any source say how many tweets in total there were or if the account was still in use.

[Toepoke]

You forgot about those golly fellows in George square on the 19th of september

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[hunchy]

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Oops typo ment jolly

[Lamia]

I am getting utterly sick of the gutter level games being played. There have been many many examples of abuse on all sides. The difference being that some try to make political capital out of it at every single opportunity and if you respond in kind you just end up with a massive game of whataboutery.

It is utterly tedious, can we not just get on with trying to make lives better for the people instead of all this nastiness and bitterness.

I honestly think it won't stop until they kill the idea of independence stone dead. They are not interested in abuse unless it is coming from supporters of independence. There has always been abuse but there has never been this reaction to it and there would never have been if the support for independence had not grown so much. It is not the abuse they care about it is destroying the independence movement. If it was the abuse they would be tackling it wherever it came from and they are not.

[Lamia]

They're not the only tweets, the account was active from 2012 and was only closed yesterday. There's a variety of different tweets being shown by various outlets, but I've not actually seen any source say how many tweets in total there were or if the account was still in use.

I knew there would be someone that this would happen with

[Orraloon]

In 2010 the conservative candidate here was sacked 3 weeks before the election for homophobic abuse. Can't remember if they had issues getting a replacement

They couldn't replace him. It was too late. He got over 7000 votes.

[Orraloon]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-serious-case-of-hypocrisy/

I'm no reading that. It's bound to be the most offensive stuff ever written ontinternet.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Orraloon

[antidote]

What on earth are you on about? The candidate admitted he was out of order, he apologised profusely, he pleaded that he hasnow changed. Is he part of the "Unionist Press"?

Where's that wee fishing emoticon when you want it?

It's a tweet, that is now being inflated, from 5 years ago!!!

[Alibi]

I can't be bothered reading this whole thread but Wings has dissected this issue and it's clear that Labour are complaining about someone posting a link to a parody website a couple of years ago. Hay hasn't called anyone a quisling (and so what? It's pretty mild) but merely linked to a spoof article that refers to some unionists in those terms. totally faux outrage from Labour. They must be desperate.

Ian Smart on the other hand is followed by hundred of prominent Labourists, including Dugdale who claimed she didn't know who he is - unbelievable dishonesty.

[Alibi]

Deleted as post appeared twice...

Edited April 24, 2015 by Alibi

[Scunnered]

It's a tweet, that is now being inflated, from 5 years ago!!!

Hullo John Swinney

I can't be bothered reading this whole thread but Wings has dissected this issue and it's clear that Labour are complaining about someone posting a link to a parody website a couple of years ago. Hay hasn't called anyone a quisling (and so what? It's pretty mild) but merely linked to a spoof article that refers to some unionists in those terms. totally faux outrage from Labour. They must be desperate.

No he hasn't. He's "dissected" 3 of a number of tweets that have appeared on media outlets. Hay has apologised and grovelled to the electorate in an attempt to show that he has changed, and his boss has condemned his behaviour. Explaining it away as faux outrage is desperate

[Auld_Reekie]

No he hasn't. He's "dissected" 3 of a number of tweets that have appeared on media outlets. Hay has apologised and grovelled to the electorate in an attempt to show that he has changed, and his boss has condemned his behaviour. Explaining it away as faux outrage is desperate

In fairness, it can be both. I think he's an idiot but I also think it's a massive dose of faux-outrage on the part of Labour and the press because they know it'll help hit SNP votes.

[Scunnered]

In fairness, it can be both. I think he's an idiot but I also think it's a massive dose of faux-outrage on the part of Labour and the press because they know it'll help hit SNP votes.

That's a fair assessment

[Flure]

Which newspaper once proclaimed 'Labour Traitors have lost the plot?' ... This Daily Record.

[Flure]

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The Ian Smart thing, that Ian Smart does

I've just been catching up with First Minister's Questions from yesterday, and I thought it was fascinating to see the effect of Nicola Sturgeon temporarily withholding the name of the vile Labour activist who had referred to the SNP as "fascist scum". Some people have suggested that Kezia Dugdale was lying when she claimed not to know his identity, but I think she genuinely hadn't made the connection at that point - she would never have offered a hostage to fortune by implying that disciplinary action might be taken if she'd realised she was talking about the inexplicably untouchable Ian Smart. I'm not quite sure how she would have talked her way out of the situation if Smart had been named up-front, but her inward reaction would have been : "Oh, that. That's just the Ian Smart thing. That Ian Smart does." It was probably a very useful exercise (for Kezia's spiritual development as much as anything) to separate out the Ian Smart thing from Ian Smart, and then to recognise the inescapable logic that it doesn't become any less despicable after you've found out that it was your friend Ian Smart who did it. The media pack may similarly be reflecting quietly on the rationality (or otherwise) of their long-standing belief that the simple fact of being Ian Smart grants an individual a broad exemption from the accepted principles of human morality.

I also thought it was rather amusing how Kezia begged Nicola Sturgeon to tell her the identity of the Labour culprit after First Minister's Questions was over. It seems that it's OK for Sturgeon to be expected to answer for "SNP wrongdoing" (which turned out to be no such thing) in public, but if it's a Labour wrongdoer, suddenly the plea is : for heaven's sake let's sort this out behind closed doors, like civilised people. Does Kezia think the public are too stupid to notice such a blindingly obvious double standard?"

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/the-ian-smart-thing.html?m=1

[Lamia]

In fairness, it can be both. I think he's an idiot but I also think it's a massive dose of faux-outrage on the part of Labour and the press because they know it'll help hit SNP votes.

It is much much more insidious than faux outrage.

[ShedTA]

Well, the tweets are out of order but you know what - I will still be voting for him, because the alternative in my area is the MP from Kezia's party and I am sure as hell not voting for that bunch of muck raking w&nkers. They have completely lost it.

[scotlad]

Hullo John Swinney No he hasn't. He's "dissected" 3 of a number of tweets that have appeared on media outlets. Hay has apologised and grovelled to the electorate in an attempt to show that he has changed, and his boss has condemned his behaviour. Explaining it away as faux outrage is desperate

Do you have an example of these other tweets?

[Scunnered]

Do you have an example of these other tweets?

You want me to toddle round the "Unionist Press" outlets again for you? *shudder* A quick look at #SNPout will probably serve you ok.

[Maq]

Neil Hay is obviously a bit of a clown, he posted a couple things that someone wanting to be elected as an MP probably shouldn't have (though, actually, they weren't THAT bad - has anyone seen anything worse from him than what Wings has posted?)

Scottish Labour, and Kezia Dugdale have said that he has insulted "ALL of Scotland's pensioners". Do you think that's accurate? At all? I haven't seen any evidence of this.

They also say that he has called "the majority of Scottish people traitors". Is that anything even resembling fact? Has Neil Hay said those words? I haven't seen it.

[Scunnered]

has anyone seen anything worse from him than what Wings has posted?)

I haven't. It all seems rather tame.

[Wine bibber]

The issue here is not the validity of what was said ,it is who it it is being directed at,and the timing of the outbursts.I just wonder what exactly we should call individuals who have voted to deny themselves and their fellow countrymen the right to self determination.A right historically that millions of people have died brutal deaths to achieve.Indeed it could be argued that it is the most important motivation for the human race after food satisfaction and reproduction.

However true in the grammatical sense and in the subject matter it is who this "truism " is directed at that is important .No one is going to call the couple in our streets in their 80's and probably in ill health traitors .We have to accept they have been subjected to a lifetime of propaganda in the fashion of too wee too stupid ,supported by the fear that they would become financially destitute.The same can be said to an extent with vast swathes of NO voters.Shameful ,cowardly selfish,incommensurable and ill informed are words that are more appropriate to the younger wealthy No voting element but not active traitors

If we look historically at Quisling himself it is easy to place many of the population of Norway as his equal in their acquiescence to foreign subjugation.But this is entirely false.They bided their time and gave the minimum support possible under the threat of torture and death.I'm sure all but our own bravest loons and lassies would do the same.But Quisling was a zealot representative mouthpiece for the fear, lies and brutality of the political regime over the human rights of his fellow citizens.Decades on and in our own country it is not a word that can be directed to followers (Most NO voters), only the most ardent ,distinctive propagandist mouthpiece liars such as Dugdale ,Murphy and Davidson.These people are traitors and quislings .What do the moderates want us to do change the dictionary meanings or deny the truth and keep tape over our mouths ? That's what they are and that is how they will be remembered in history.

That said ,there is no point adding to their propaganda and it is pointless to use these terms in the current campaign.But if we ever get to the stage where we are too scared to speak the truth then the freedoms which other countries take for granted will become even more distant on Scotland's horizon.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Wine bibber