92,000 Snp Members

[thplinth]

Don't agree. Groups like radical independence enhanced the debate and if anything made the yes campaign more appealing IMO.

To you maybe but to others they are a turn off. The NO vote got stronger as you went up the age scale - so does the likelihood of being tory minded. You don't see these people in George Square but they exist in large numbers.

You're way off. All far left groups that I'm aware of were opposed to independence, with the exception of SCP. The left groups within RIC done a tremendous job of reaching the traditional Labour vote, and continue to do so.

Not my impression at all. In the weeks leading up Tommy etc were giving it some and there was this theme being repeated that an independent Scotland would be a socially fairer Scotland than it is now. We do not know that and it is was presumptive as it would have been up to a newly independent elected Scottish parliament to decide such things going forward.

I think this informal alliance with the left turned off the secret Tories but also the latent Tories. (My bet would have been that the New Scottish Tory party vote would have gone up a lot post Yes as it was freed of the shackles of the shredded reputation of the ones down south.)

Edited November 27, 2014 by thplinth

[ParisInAKilt]

To you maybe but to others they are a turn off. The NO vote got stronger as you went up the age scale - so does the likelihood of being tory minded. You don't see these people in George Square but they exist in large numbers.

I realise that, the silent majority won the no vote but I don't think these people largely voted no because of the far left, these were people that the SNP and yes campaign would have struggled to win over anyway.

[Scunnered]

Tommy's not far left, he's just a dick. And anyway, the left supporting Yes campaigners shunned Tommy, and rightly so.

[Orraloon]

edit: do people have a hard time understanding just how rich Scotland as a state was going to be had it been Yes?

Yes they do. You and I and loads of other folk do understand it, but we didn't manage to persuade enough other people. I'm not sure how we can put that right for the next time.

[Orraloon]

Of course different folk have different ideas of what Social Justice is. I suppose it depends on what part of the social scale you are looking for justice for.

[Scunnered]

Yes they do. You and I and loads of other folk do understand it, but we didn't manage to persuade enough other people. I'm not sure how we can put that right for the next time.

Perhaps if the government didn't position itself to put business first more people would have been convinced? Just a suggestion. People in the richest countries in the world couldn't care less about the wealth of the country if it doesn't trickle down

[thplinth]

Perhaps if the government didn't position itself to put business first more people would have been convinced? Just a suggestion. People in the richest countries in the world couldn't care less about the wealth of the country if it doesn't trickle down

It sure trickles down in Norway our 'resource to population' mirror image across the North Sea.

It trickles down because they voted overwhelmingly to manage their own wealth many moons ago. And then when they had the cash in the bank they spent it on making their population the happiest and wealthiest ers in the whole world.

It does not trickle down in Scotland because our inherent 'Norway wealth' is siphoned off by another country and used for their benefit.

[Charlie Endell]

I don't fancy paying seven quid a pint though - I'd be bankrupt!

[Scunnered]

It sure trickles down in Norway our 'resource to population' mirror image across the North Sea.

It trickles down because they voted overwhelmingly to manage their own wealth many moons ago. And then when they had the cash in the bank they spent it on making their population the happiest and wealthiest ers in the whole world.

It does not trickle down in Scotland because our inherent 'Norway wealth' is siphoned off by another country and used for their benefit.

Norways population has massive trade Union representation which keeps the government serving the people... Although narrowly in recent years. It's no surprise that poverty is sneaking up in Norway as the right gain momentum.

Its very true when they say the 70's would have been perfect for independence.

[thplinth]

I don't fancy paying seven quid a pint though - I'd be bankrupt!

We'd go the other way, the Czech way, and designate beer as a 'basic food source' thus exempting it from VAT, duties and other taxes.

We would also I am sure introduce purity laws like ze Germans have for beer and thus I expect Tennent's Lager will probably have to describe itself as 'flavored water with added alcohol' in an independent Scotland.

It is going to be paradise Charlie, only better. It's up to us really, we'll be free styling.

[antidote]

You're way off. All far left groups that I'm aware of were opposed to independence, with the exception of SCP. The left groups within RIC done a tremendous job of reaching the traditional Labour vote, and continue to do so.

Surely you you're not trying to claim the Labour Party is left wing?

[Scunnered]

Surely you you're not trying to claim the Labour Party is left wing?

I've no idea where you got that idea?

[Lamia]

What really badgers me off about the referendum result is that it means I have to keep voting SNP, when in my head I had already moved on to considering other parties. I was enjoying the idea of a wide variety of post-independence political options becoming open to me, in a situation where every party came from the basic premise of having mine and Scotland's best interests at heart. However that seemed too much to ask for.

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That is exactly how I feel too

[thplinth]

That is exactly how I feel too

I think we (the Yes) all do. Arrested development. Very sad.

The SNP need to rethink their (day to day) way of achieving the long term goal. Pre No the SNP pretended to be like the other parties... but really they were not. Post No the SNP need to shed all that tedious old school party politics pish and become something else, something new.

Yes the SNP are a party, but only a party of Yes's.

The SNP are not a party of tedious policies like Labour, the Tories, the Libwhatthe####evers. The SNP are a party of free stylin individuals. So why not agree on the 'one thing' and then beyond that it is a free vote... just like it would be in the first Scottish independent parliament.

We do not have to solve the world's or even Scotland's social problems before we can convince Scots that running their own country is common feckin sense.

In fact being in government at this point is an impediment.

[Lamia]

In fact being in government at this point is an impediment.

I agree there. I said after the No vote we should all vote Labour in the Holyrood elections

[Orraloon]

I agree there. I said after the No vote we should all vote Labour in the Holyrood elections

Can you really imagine yourself walking into a polling station and voting Labour?

[Scunnered]

Can you really imagine yourself walking into a polling station and voting Labour?

In the unlikely event that Findlay and Clark win leadership... Yes.

[mariokempes56]

Never.

[kumnio]

Never.

Nor I, just couldnt do that.

[Orraloon]

In the unlikely event that Findlay and Clark win leadership... Yes.

Wisnae asking you. I get the impression you would rather vote Tory than SNP.

[Scunnered]

Wisnae asking you. I get the impression you would rather vote Tory than SNP.

I'll probably vote SNP in May.

[Orraloon]

I'll probably vote SNP in May.

They will be much more left wing by that time.

[Lamia]

Can you really imagine yourself walking into a polling station and voting Labour?

Not really but they are the ones that wanted this so should be responsible for showing us how great it is

[thplinth]

The whole point of playing house at Holyrood for 4 years was to show people that Scots could do a good job managing Scotland. They did it so well the irony is despite the No the SNP could increase its majority and have a breakthrough at westminster. But what is the point of being in government now? We are going nowhere for a while and the game will be rigged to force the SNP into making choices that will steadily erode their support.

Let labour and the tories and the liberals form a minority government, we saw how they are all one voice anyway during the referendum. Why should we constantly accept the rules set-up by these arseholes. refuse to work in the box they want to put us in, put them in it.

We can't go back to the way it was in the years running up the vote. Make no mistake we are now taken as a serious threat going forward. I do not see a strategy at this point...

[Lamia]

The whole point of playing house at Holyrood for 4 years was to show people that Scots could do a good job managing Scotland. They did it so well the irony is despite the No the SNP could increase its majority and have a breakthrough at westminster. But what is the point of being in government now? We are going nowhere for a while and the game will be rigged to force the SNP into making choices that will steadily erode their support.

Let labour and the tories and the liberals form a minority government, we saw how they are all one voice anyway during the referendum. Why should we constantly accept the rules set-up by these arseholes. refuse to work in the box they want to put us in, put them in it.

We can't go back to the way it was in the years running up the vote. Make no mistake we are now taken as a serious threat going forward. I do not see a strategy at this point...