weekevie04 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think you'll find THEY did. Did you not read any of the papers in the fortnight before the referendum? Didn't Broon himself even say those exact words or ''Home Rule'' in that Dimbleby interview the night before the ref too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 they never stated devo Max That's true, but it's not what's important. The insinuation....from the party leaders and their media puppets....was that there would be Devo Max. Of course, anyone with half a brain knew that they were either lying or talking about dog licences etc, but it was enough to fool many people into voting No. A lot of people, many of them No voters, are going to be sadly disappointed about a year down the line when Westminster eventually gets round to giving us new 'powers', which will effectively be some sort of obscure, unfathomable and practically unworkable tweaks to income tax legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Didn't Broon himself even say those exact words or ''Home Rule'' in that Dimbleby interview the night before the ref too? Can't recall if Brown said it, but Dimbleby definitely said in the introduction that the referendum was now a choice "between independence and home rule". Check back on the iPlayer if it's still there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Wait a cotton picking minute. It might not be possible to bar EU citizens from other states from owning land in Scotland, but there will be no bar on banning *UK* citizens without primary residence in Scotland. Imagine David Cameron's father in law no longer owning half of Jura. I am going to write to my MSP today to make sure they consider this as part of the land reform bill that will be going through Parliament in 2015. They can call it the 'Lord Astor Amendment'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Big Yin chips in... http://m.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/billy-connolly-warns-cameron-over-powers-pledge-1-3549776 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Big Yin chips in... http://m.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/billy-connolly-warns-cameron-over-powers-pledge-1-3549776 He added tonight: “Scotland is kind of fed up - no matter what they vote for they get what England votes for. “I think that was driving the whole thing. So if you vote to stay together, you get (Ukip leader) Nigel Farage and all that baloney and baggage.” Aye nice Billy. Great timing as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Big Yin chips in... http://m.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/billy-connolly-warns-cameron-over-powers-pledge-1-3549776 Pretty pathetic comments made underneath the article questioning whether he wrote it with all his faculties intact (nasty dig at his illness). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Im going to have little patience for some who seem to be waking up to the realities of Union after the vote. Ive noticed a couple, especially Labour types, who suddenly seem to want to talk a tough game or lament any lack of urgency from the No parties. We've been having that debate for two years and less than a week after the vote, suddenly you want to empathise with voters who abandoned you?! F*ck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I am going to write to my MSP today to make sure they consider this as part of the land reform bill that will be going through Parliament in 2015. They can call it the 'Lord Astor Amendment'. I wonder what the result would be if we had a referendum for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I wonder what the result would be if we had a referendum for that? The genius part is that it will *only* be possible, if my reading of the EU law is right, *because* we have remained in the union. Similar to charging only English students tuition fees (which would have become illegal under EU law if we were independent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allyc Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Would have taken devo max as it would meant at this stage a step further nearer to independence.presently with the prospect of reduced funding we are in a worse state than we were 30 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Crazy thing is all this talk about "extra powers" which English MPs are kicking up such fuss about will, in all probability, fall a long way short of Devo Max but no-one asks whether the Scottish people actually want extra powers which may well turn out to be a huge great millstone massive ound their neck. I don't understand how WM based parties can put together these 'powers', whatever they might be, when they don't know which powers the people of Scotland actually want and when Scots voters can't really say whether they're happy to have them. Only logical conclusion surely is that despite the rhetoric they don't care about what Scotland wants, they got their No vote and that was the only thing they were ever interested in. I'd be particularly grateful if anyone who voted No (and I appreciate that might not be easy to say on this board at this time - except for the obvious trolls) could explain how they see this and whether this is what they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faddyisyerdaddy Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Crazy thing is all this talk about "extra powers" which English MPs are kicking up such fuss about will, in all probability, fall a long way short of Devo Max but no-one asks whether the Scottish people actually want extra powers which may well turn out to be a huge great millstone massive ound their neck. I don't understand how WM based parties can put together these 'powers', whatever they might be, when they don't know which powers the people of Scotland actually want and when Scots voters can't really say whether they're happy to have them. Only logical conclusion surely is that despite the rhetoric they don't care about what Scotland wants, they got their No vote and that was the only thing they were ever interested in. I'd be particularly grateful if anyone who voted No (and I appreciate that might not be easy to say on this board at this time - except for the obvious trolls) could explain how they see this and whether this is what they wanted. Good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Can't recall if Brown said it, but Dimbleby definitely said in the introduction that the referendum was now a choice "between independence and home rule". Check back on the iPlayer if it's still there... Just checked and yeah, Dimbleby says pretty much that 30 seconds in.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04k1d54/scotland-decides-the-dimbleby-interviews#group=p01tbhxw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'd be particularly grateful if anyone who voted No (and I appreciate that might not be easy to say on this board at this time - except for the obvious trolls) could explain how they see this and whether this is what they wanted. I can almost guarantee you that the No voters on here did not vote that way because they thought Scotland would get more powers. They will be the ones that Annabel Goldie referred to this evening as people that simply want to be a part of the UK and have no interest in any more powers. They probably wouldnt even bother if the Scottish Parliament was dissolved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 I can almost guarantee you that the No voters on here did not vote that way because they thought Scotland would get more powers. They will be the ones that Annabel Goldie referred to this evening as people that simply want to be a part of the UK and have no interest in any more powers. They probably wouldnt even bother if the Scottish Parliament was dissolved May well be true which would make the offer of more powers strange. I have no doubt that some fall into the category you mention but we have already seen people admit that they were swung because of this. Those are the ones whose views I'd be interested in, is it wait and see what the Tories come up with, do you think you should be consulted, do you think it's already unravelling, do you feel let down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 It was particularly yesterday's Times that got me thinking and wondering: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allyc Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I don't think that would be true.a 3Rd question would been the way forward and would have been a stuck on yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Incidentally, we should now drop debates about a third option/second question on the ballot paper. If, and when, the next referendum comes about, I don't want a middle option. If the circumstances come about that a referendum is needed, we should be ensuring the same push for independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Interestingly, it's the English newspapers that are full of stories about the Tories/Labour/whoever reneging on their 'vow' to Scotland. The Scottish newspapers seem to be ignoring it completely, as if it isn't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 http://www.johnkay.com/2014/09/24/scottish-no-vote-makes-independence-more-likely?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Just checked and yeah, Dimbleby says pretty much that 30 seconds in.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04k1d54/scotland-decides-the-dimbleby-interviews#group=p01tbhxw Cheers, forgot to check that. I think Nicola said it today in her speech and quoted his exacted words, which at this moment I have forgot but it was something very close to ''As close as we can get to Home Rule within the UK'' Which will open a box between the Union parties and the SNP/Greens when this timetable of new powers come out. Edited September 24, 2014 by weekevie04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 http://www.johnkay.com/2014/09/24/scottish-no-vote-makes-independence-more-likely?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Loved his conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-party-of-scottish-self-government.html 100% on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-party-of-scottish-self-government.html 100% on the money. "the idea that the pro-indy bod has nothing in common with the devo-thusiastic has the distinct ring of pish to it." Very good article that. The newspaper headlines seem to be making a big deal about the possibility of a repeat referendum but I can only see it being used as a bargaining chip. IMO it'd be nuts to call for another referendum until the polls are consistently showing 60% Yes or more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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