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At least they have the promise of some first team action at those clubs and that's can't be said for staying at Ibrox at present. Hopefuly it will be beneficial for all parties involved.

The vast majority of youngsters that have left in this transfer window are not good enough four our first team (and I do mean our current first team). MacKay looked decent when he first got into the team in D3 but didn't kick on after that and Aird is a much better option out wide than him. Robbie Crawford just isn't good enough (he wouldn't get in the Hibs, Hearts teams for example) Gallagher might have something but there's no way he's getting in a head of Boyd, Miller, Daly or Clark so best to get him half a season of first team action under his belt. The rest? I highly doubt we'll see any of them in a Rangers jersey again as they just don't seem up to scratch.

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29 senior goals in 142 appearances and he is worth 16 million :yikes3:

Not that I am desperately trying to defend Danny Welbeck but those numbers alone are a bit misleading. 52 of those 142 appearances were as a sub. I doubt he has probably started more than 10 games in a row at any time in his Man Utd career. Its hard to judge how good, or not, a player is who is not getting consistent first team football. Sturridge was the same at Man City and Chelsea and he has turned out to be a no bad BPL player once he has nailed down a starting place at Liverpool.

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Absolute quality piece of business from Man Utd.

Falcao is a brilliant signing.

Got to praise the LVG and the cash coffers who have finally stumped up big money and bought some real quality players. I still think a centre half should have been added, but January will come again soon.

Had to laugh at Phil Thompson on SSN, he looked like he was close to tears :-))

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£24million for a maximum of 35 league games. The stench of desperation from Man Utd is overwhelming.

A move to appease fans rather than significantly improve their team.

From what I have read that is not strictly true. The only signing that would have appeased the fans would have been a commanding central midfielder, someone like Vidal. The signing of Falcao has went down well but it's by no means appeased the fans, the vast majority still have major concerns about the midfield and defence.

I think it has improved their front line by a long way, but I agree that it is ridiculously expensive.

Welbeck will fit in at Arsenal, but I can't see him scoring a barrowload of goals. I just don't think he's a natural finisher.

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£24million for a maximum of 35 league games. The stench of desperation from Man Utd is overwhelming.

A move to appease fans rather than significantly improve their team.

Hmmmm, desperation ?

United sign Falcao.

Arsenal sign Wellbeck.

Desperation or jealous........:moon:

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£24million for a maximum of 35 league games. The stench of desperation from Man Utd is overwhelming.

A move to appease fans rather than significantly improve their team.

Maybe he can play centre-back, he is good in the air? Well someone is going to have to play there unless they want to continue fielding the 3 Stooges.

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Hmmmm, desperation ?

United sign Falcao.

Arsenal sign Wellbeck.

Desperation or jealous........ :moon:

Falcao is a superior player to Wellbeck.

I know which deal provide better value for money though.

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Not sure that I agree with them needing a CM to be honest.

I think they will play with one sitting midfielder, which could be one of Carrick, Blind or Fletcher.

The forward line speaks for itself, with wing backs out of Rafael, Valencia, Shaw, Di Maria and a back 3 of Rojo, Jones, Smalling isn't that bad is it?

A quality CB to manage the defence would be the only glaring need to me...

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Not sure that I agree with them needing a CM to be honest.

I think they will play with one sitting midfielder, which could be one of Carrick, Blind or Fletcher.

The forward line speaks for itself, with wing backs out of Rafael, Valencia, Shaw, Di Maria and a back 3 of Rojo, Jones, Smalling isn't that bad is it?

A quality CB to manage the defence would be the only glaring need to me...

Ehhh?? One is a very average full back who has trouble defending but because he is Brazilian that's sort of accepted, one is a past his best winger who wasn't actually that great to start with and most certainly not a defender, one is a very promising left back and the other spent the last season playing either centre mid or further forward at Real Madrid and has never shown any defensive capabilities. IMO wing backs are a bit of specialised position and while Shaw has good defensive qualities it says a lot that someone who is 19 looks their best option to play one of these specialised roles out of the players you listed.

I wouldn't let Smalling anywhere near a title challenging teams defence and Rojo is also no more than average and alternates between left back and centre back.

They way I always try and judge their players or set ups is "Would any of these players get in their respective positions at Man City or Chelsea, sides who are title challengers". I would say, bar possibly Shaw, none of the rest of those players would get into Man City or Chelsea's defensive set ups.

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Ehhh?? One is a very average full back who has trouble defending but because he is Brazilian that's sort of accepted, one is a past his best winger who wasn't actually that great to start with and most certainly not a defender, one is a very promising left back and the other spent the last season playing either centre mid or further forward at Real Madrid and has never shown any defensive capabilities. IMO wing backs are a bit of specialised position and while Shaw has good defensive qualities it says a lot that someone who is 19 looks their best option to play one of these specialised roles out of the players you listed.

I wouldn't let Smalling anywhere near a title challenging teams defence and Rojo is also no more than average and alternates between left back and centre back.

They way I always try and judge their players or set ups is "Would any of these players get in their respective positions at Man City or Chelsea, sides who are title challengers". I would say, bar possibly Shaw, none of the rest of those players would get into Man City or Chelsea's defensive set ups.

100% agree and was along the lines of what i was going to say.

saying 'that isn't that bad' when describing Man Utd doesn't make much sense to me. A club like them should be challenging for the Champions league. To do that you need CL quality players. Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Rafael etc won't cut it at the highest level for me.

what's your thoughts on Fletcher's position at the club? I think IF Man Utd sign a big money CM in the next transfer window his game time will be limited as he won;t play ahead of Carrick.

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100% agree and was along the lines of what i was going to say.

saying 'that isn't that bad' when describing Man Utd doesn't make much sense to me. A club like them should be challenging for the Champions league. To do that you need CL quality players. Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Rafael etc won't cut it at the highest level for me.

what's your thoughts on Fletcher's position at the club? I think IF Man Utd sign a big money CM in the next transfer window his game time will be limited as he won;t play ahead of Carrick.

Fletcher had a good preseason but I can see him playing Blind beside Herrera in the middle of the park. If he does try and go for his Dutch 3-4-1-2 formation I would think it will be DDG - Jones, Evans/Smalling, Rojo - Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Di Maria - Rooney - RVP, Falcao. But that still comes back to the problem mentioned previously that his wing backs in that formation are Shaw and Di Maria.

He might play Herrera and Di Maria in the middle of the park and Blind in the back 3 but those 2 up against the likes of Yaya, Fernando, Fernandinho, Matic, etc would be over run, and neither of them have natural defensive skills, which Blind does. Fletch and Carrick only play if one of those 2 is injured IMO, that's even before them possibly signing anyone else in that position in January.

Hummels , schnieder , robben , ronaldo reus lamm .

these are experts at big game football , and they could have got at least three of them.

falcao is a good signing though !

Hummels and Reus already knocked them back, as did Tommy Muller. Sneidjer and Robben possibly the wrong age for them now although I think Robben would still do a job for them. Di Maria looks the obvious, younger, alternative to him. Sneidjer no better than Mata IMO. Lahm would never leave Bayern for Man Utd and Ronaldo...????.....they would have had to have signed no one else to even have close to the money to sign him. He's at the European champions earning a fortune and a legend at that club, no way would he ever come back to Man Utd this season.

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29 senior goals in 142 appearances and he is worth 16 million :yikes3:

as rene meulensteen was saying last night, welbeck is not an out and out goal scorer like rvp but he is great as a second forward. making chances for a goal scorer, pulling defences out of position, etc. but everyone just lookss at how many goals he scores. for me his only problem is his lack of ability to stay on his feet. think his legs go faster than his thought process at times

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Fixed it.

I'm struggling to comprehend how that valuation has been decided upon. The boy is never a player and certainly not one I would associate as an Arsenal type footballer.

Gignac, Lacazette, Aboubakar, Martinez, Gameiro, Palacio, Berardi. Surely all better options and most would be available for the money being laid out for Welbeck.

http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9451390/Sense-Of-Value-Lost-In-Current-Transfer-Market

Both Teams To Score looks like a decent bet for Man Utd games this season then. An embarrassment of riches in the final third, but no-one in midfield to pass the ball, and dodgy at the back.

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