Clyde1998 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The question is going to be announced today apparently - I'm expecting "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?". I was correct - http://news.sky.com/story/1491845/eu-referendum-bill-vote-question-confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Birth cannot determine your right to a vote - either positively or negatively. Residency should. Stolen from Twitter and sums up my feelings on it as someone who rightly couldn't vote in the Indy referendum. And apparently Scotland has the problem with nationalism Citizenship, not birth, determines your right to a vote. In any election or referendum. Residents of Scotland who didn't have UK, EU or Commonwealth citizenship couldn't vote in the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Just thinking there about a Greek colleague of mine who told me that the Greek community in Edinburgh were all voting no in the Scottish referendum to protect their jobs and place in the EU etc etc. Now they have an even higher risk of exiting the EU and destabalising their jobs and they can't even vote. NAE LUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Just thinking there about a Greek colleague of mine who told me that the Greek community in Edinburgh were all voting no in the Scottish referendum to protect their jobs and place in the EU etc etc. Now they have an even higher risk of exiting the EU and destabalising their jobs and they can't even vote. NAE LUCK Bit harsh! Not their fault really that they believed the lies, bullying and intimidation of the establishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Kudos to the SNP MP's who are set to vote against the referendum bill due to the structure of the proposed vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Kudos to the SNP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Must be the swear filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Not allowing people resident in the UK a vote because of their nationality is shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Not allowing people resident in the UK a vote because of their nationality is shameful. Yup. Can you imagine the cries of "xenophibia/nazi" that would've been forthcoming had the SNP made the referendum Scots only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Yup. Can you imagine the cries of "xenophibia/nazi" that would've been forthcoming had the SNP made the referendum Scots only? I know, barely anything been made in the media but that's not a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Very interesting to see all the arguments of the Eurosceptics that are about self-determination and democracy, from people who were mainly 'unionists' of another kind this time last year... also complaining that the Govt will be churning out unionist progaganda with no purdah period (where have I heard that before?) Actually I sympathise with some of their arguments - some for the pro-EU arguments are as lazy and pathetic as some of the BT-kneejerk arguments - also the Europhobes are not all UKIPpers (just as Yessers were not all SNPers) and not all rabid xenophobes or little englanders (just as not all Yessers were claymore-wielding 'Bravehearts') though some of the media make them out to be... If the big parties and big business and establishment media try to win by bullying with crass arguments it'll go closer to 'out' than they'd now imagine Edited June 9, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Yup. Can you imagine the cries of "xenophibia/nazi" that would've been forthcoming had the SNP made the referendum Scots only? Like I said above, citizenship has always determined who can vote in UK polls. UK, EU and / or Commonwealth. Not residence. There was no Scottish citizenship so how would you determine a Scots-only franchise? Edited June 9, 2015 by thorbotnic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Like I said above, citizenship has always determined who can vote in UK polls. UK, EU and / or Commonwealth. Not residence. There was no Scottish citizenship so how would you determine a Scots-only franchise?People who's birth was registered in Scotland. I would never advocate that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Like I said above, citizenship has always determined who can vote in UK polls. UK, EU and / or Commonwealth. Not residence. There was no Scottish citizenship so how would you determine a Scots-only franchise? Doesnt make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Labour today voted with the Tories and thereby opposed 16/17 year olds getting the vote along with any EU citizens living here. Have Labour still not started to learn any lessons??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Labour today voted with the Tories and thereby opposed 16/17 year olds getting the vote along with any EU citizens living here. Have Labour still not started to learn any lessons??? Gotta pander to middle and right wing England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) I see the SNP proposal for an individual country veto was defeated. Not really a viable option so hardly a surprise. If that was the case they might as well just hold the referendum in Northern Ireland and save costs... Edited June 9, 2015 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The people of England will decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) People who's birth was registered in Scotland. I would never advocate that though. I have a friend who was born in Leeds, lived since age 3 in Paisley. No vote? My point is that the franchise was restricted by nationality in the referendum last year, and will be in this one. Edited June 9, 2015 by thorbotnic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I have a friend who was born in Leeds, lived since age 3 in Paisley. No vote? My point is that the franchise was restricted by nationality in the referendum last year, and will be in this one. That post doesn't make sense. Are you saying that your friend didn't get a vote because he/she was born in England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That post doesn't make sense. Are you saying that your friend didn't get a vote because he/she was born in England? No. He's referencing the earlier post about franchising only those with a registered in Scotland birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The people of England will decide. Exactly. I will be voting yes because: 1. I want to be in EU. 2. I don't look like a posh English boy or am not and dont look like a thug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 There's a strong argument for leaving the EU but they debate will never reach a decent level. Only UKIP and Tory backbenchers won't to leave any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I have a friend who was born in Leeds, lived since age 3 in Paisley. No vote? My point is that the franchise was restricted by nationality in the referendum last year, and will be in this one. How was the Scottish referendum restricted by nationality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 How was the Scottish referendum restricted by nationality? It wasn't. Dis naebody read the thread? http://tartanarmyboard.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=4786&p=164952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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