Eu Vote

[Maq]

.... is going to be restricted to British nationals only, according to the Telegraph tomorrow.

No votes for those bloody foreigners

Not that they could have done it, but imagine if the referendum last year was limited to 'Scots only'

Blo0dy narrow nationalist Brits

[Orraloon]

.... is going to be restricted to British nationals only, according to the Telegraph tomorrow.

No votes for those bloody foreigners

Not that they could have done it, but imagine if the referendum last year was limited to 'Scots only'

Blo0dy narrow nationalist Brits

I presume it's just the white ones?

[andymac]

FFS. Do you just moan for the sake of it. Its normal for citizens to be the ones who vote on constitutional matters.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/referenda/voting_in_a_referendum.html

[Orraloon]

FFS. Do you just moan for the sake of it. Its normal for citizens to be the ones who vote on constitutional matters.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/referenda/voting_in_a_referendum.html

FFS, they are only letting Irish folk vote? That's one to get the result they want, I suppose.

[Maq]

FFS. Do you just moan for the sake of it. Its normal for citizens to be the ones who vote on constitutional matters.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/referenda/voting_in_a_referendum.html

Did you miss the point I made comparing it to the Scottish referendum?

[ParisInAKilt]

Birth cannot determine your right to a vote - either positively or negatively. Residency should.

Stolen from Twitter and sums up my feelings on it as someone who rightly couldn't vote in the Indy referendum.

And apparently Scotland has the problem with nationalism

[Guest flumax]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32872211

Former Tory defence secretary Liam Fox, a Eurosceptic, said allowing EU citizens to vote in the referendum "would have been an unacceptable dilution of the voice of the British people". I imagine he supported a Scottish born & bred argument in the indyref

You know it's a stitch up when

UKIP leader Nigel Farage said the plans were "sensible and reasonable".

Edited May 25, 2015 by flumax

[scotlad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32872211

Former Tory defence secretary Liam Fox, a Eurosceptic, said allowing EU citizens to vote in the referendum "would have been an unacceptable dilution of the voice of the British people". I imagine he supported a Scottish born & bred argument in the indyref

You know it's a stitch up when

UKIP leader Nigel Farage said the plans were "sensible and reasonable".

We'd most probably have been on course for independence right now had the vote last year been limited to Scots only. However, quite rightly, it was open to all residents of Scotland.

Unfortunately, the bitter irony for those EU residents who voted No last year after being told they risked deportation in the event of a Yes vote, is that they could end up being deported anyway, depending on the outcome of this referendum. Better Together manipulated them into a useful tool to shore up a few thousand more No votes last year; they won't make the mistake of having that little ploy rebound on them.

[thewelk]

Is it passport holders then? Or only resident brits? If it's passport holders that means the expat communities will get a vote too. There's a non negligible number of expats who will by and large vote to stay in the EU.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if some of the billy brit costa del spanish expats actually vote to leave.

[ParisInAKilt]

So x can be a British citizen living in Australia for 13 years but gets a vote while y a polish passport holder living in the UK for 8 years doesn't

Seems fair

[aaid]

It's pretty poor but given that there are roughly the same number of British Citizens who live in the rest of the EU as EU citizens who live in Britain, they will probably balance each other out.

I can't understand why an Australian who lives in Gibraltar gets to vote though.

Edited May 25, 2015 by aaid

[stocky]

Commonwealth citz have more clout that eu citz. Urish citz are legally ' not foreign' to the westminster parliament,

if only scots had voted in the ref it would be 53% yes..

the rest of uk ers voted over 70% no..

[hampden_loon2878]

Do you think if salmond had pushed for a scots only referendum cameron would have agreed? It still leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth that had it been scots only that had voted we would have won the referendum, but it was still the tight thing to do to let everyone who resided in scotland vote

With regards to the EU referendum for my area coming out of the EU would be beneficial, i would probably vote to come out of it saying that i would need to read more into it.if the uk voted to leave the EU it would be one less scare story against independence and would edge us closer to it.

[Toepoke]

if only scots had voted in the ref it would be 53% yes..

the rest of uk ers voted over 70% no..

I've looked at that survey and can't get my head round it. Even if you assume every Yes vote in September was from a Scots born voter it still falls short of 50% once you take out the voters from the rest of the UK.

I suspect many people told porkies to the pollsters, the "Shy-Nos" if you will...

Edited May 26, 2015 by Toepoke

[Clyde1998]

I've looked at that survey and can't get my head round it. Even if you assume every Yes vote in September was from a Scots born voter it still falls short of 50% once you take out the voters from the rest of the UK.

I suspect many people told porkies to the pollsters, the "Shy-Nos" if you will...

If you assume every No vote in September was from a Scots born voter, as well, it reaches 52-53% Yes.

[Guest flumax]

Do you think if salmond had pushed for a scots only referendum cameron would have agreed?

No, firstly it would have required a Scottish electoral Commission to define the rules... That is giving away another institute. it would then require some form of formal registration of what a Scot would be, again another institute of state would be required. Things that should not be granted to a region. If such body gave out an id card, then you're only one step away from issuing a passport. Once you have this, statehood would be one step closer.

Don't forget however, you'd have to set rules such as scots born, residency, marriage, ancestry etc etc you would still end up with many immigrants being eligible and you would also open the issue to emigrant scots born but moved away. It would not necessarily mean a yes vote.

Workout a whole world of constitutional change it was never going to happen, in my view the franchise was right for scotland in indyref. I don't believe UK has it fair this timearound.

[buckielugger]

The French MSP is rightly complaining that HE won't now be allowed to vote in Cameron's referendum.

He has lived in Scotland for over 25 years, has a Scottish wife, Scottish children, Scottish grandchildren, has paid taxes for all that time, and is now a serving parliamentarian....and still he can't vote.

Meanwhile wealthy tax-dodging tory twats living in luxury anywhere in the world will be able to vote

Christian Allard is but one example of an unjust situation.

My own daughter-in-law is Catalan but been living and working and paying taxes here for nearly 10 years. She is on the electoral roll, can vote in all local elections, welsh assembly election (lives in wales) , European parliament elections, but was livid she couldn't vote in the general election and is now going to be disenfranchised again.

[Guest flumax]

I would really like to see allard take a headline role in the SNP EUref campaign. He may not be able to vote, but he could be a great figurehead for multiculturalism and the European idea.

A French native elected official from Scotland would annoy quite a few folk. But he embodies what civic nationalism and European unity is about.

[stocky]

I've looked at that survey and can't get my head round it. Even if you assume every Yes vote in September was from a Scots born voter it still falls short of 50% once you take out the voters from the rest of the UK.

I suspect many people told porkies to the pollsters, the "Shy-Nos" if you will...

there are 477000 English born voters in Scotland... 334000 voted no.. 70%

192000 changing from no to yes would have given a yes vote..

now i havent included the nothern Irish voters and numbers here... i am sure the no figure was high here..or the welsh ...

i will try get more figures.. .

[stocky]

I think where Salmond did it wrong was a time limit... it should have been a 2 year/ 5 year residency before being allowed to vote..

people were here studying for a year from elsewhere in the UK and most voted no....

[Clyde1998]

The question is going to be announced today apparently - I'm expecting "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?".

[ParisInAKilt]

"Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union so we can kick out immigrants"

Immigration is basically the only reason there's a referendum anyway.

[Orraloon]

"Do you think we should send the foreigners home?"

[Return of Yermaw]

Are you of the opinion that UK's interests would invariably be best served by continued membership of the European Union or do you consider that the UK should opt out of membership at this point - Yes or No?

[Clyde1998]

"The United Kingdom (UK) government is holding a referendum on whether the UK should leave the European Union (EU) because the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) believe the UK should join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), which would mean that the UK still has to follow EU law and pay membership fees to the EU, but the UK won't be able to vote on any EU law as it would no longer be a member of the EU; also all members of the EFTA are required to be part of the Schengen Area, meaning that the UK borders will be even more open than they are currently; should the UK Government negotiate exit from the EU and start negotiating with the EFTA join that organisation, because UKIP haven't thought their policy through?"

Only 133 words - referendum questions have to be one sentence, which this question is...

It's 26 words longer than the 1980 Quebec independence referendum question...

Edited May 27, 2015 by Clyde1998