munroskh Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 As this is a bit of 'National Infrastructure', it looks as if we are going donate £75 million to London via the Barnett Formula,so Camerons buddies can make a few bob from developing more of London. Better Together? Aye, for some! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29610463 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 After a bit of google work I finally found a summary of all "national infrastructure projects" here (page 3). My understanding is that all UK tax payers contribute ? So Scotland pays a 10% share.Even though we clearly wont see any economic benefit.These projects aren't included in the Barnett formula - so Scotland receives no additional spend.The vast majority of big expensive projects are in the south. HS2, London Sewers and this new East London tunnel....Meanwhile Transport Scotland have to fund the new forth crossing out of the Scottish budget !?Only 2/40 of the NIP projects are Scottish - and the largest is £1 billion for a carbon storage scheme in Peterhead.HS2 for comparison will cost £80 billion.Maybe someone who knows more can add information ?Or confirm my interpretation of NIPs in the UK ?http://www.clydeco.com/uploads/Files/CC004681_UK_infrastructure_National_infrastructure_plan_03.03.14_Spreads.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 old topic on Barnett exempt projects from the archivehttp://taboard.com/archive/index.php?showtopic=148527&page=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthTam Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Only 2/40 of the NIP projects are Scottish - and the largest is £1 billion for a carbon storage scheme in Peterhead. Is one of those 2 not in the north of England (trans pennine electrification etc.)? If that is correct then of the £237bn only £1bn is being spent in Scotland. Barnett formula getting the piss taken out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Is one of those 2 not in the north of England (trans pennine electrification etc.)? If that is correct then of the £237bn only £1bn is being spent in Scotland. Barnett formula getting the piss taken out of it. it's the constant misnomer of the barnet argument we get more...no we don't as there is zero capital investment which creates jobs brings people etc etc our weak politicians must make more of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bruce Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Is one of those 2 not in the north of England (trans pennine electrification etc.)? If that is correct then of the £237bn only £1bn is being spent in Scotland. Barnett formula getting the piss taken out of it. Some of the "UK wide" projects are surely in Scotland though. Wind and renewables for example. However is the total spend not "over £375 Billion"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) So here is the full list of projects.It was quite hard to find online.The full document can be found at the link of above.Only 1 project of the 375 billion (costing 1 billion @ Peterhead) is located in Scotland......If I had to guess this hidden spending more than covers the "extra" funding Scotland gets via the apparently favorable Barnett formula ?Why do Transport Scotland have to pay for the new forth road crossing from their own budget : when developments like the Thameslink come from national funds ? Edited October 15, 2014 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So here is the full list of projects. It was quite hard to find online. The full document can be found at the link of above. Only 1 project of the 375 billion (costing 1 billion @ Peterhead) is located in Scotland...... If I had to guess this hidden spending more than covers the "extra" funding Scotland gets via the apparently favorable Barnett formula ? Why do Transport Scotland have to pay for the new forth road crossing from their own budget : when developments like the Thameslink come from national funds ? cause we're all a bunch of mugs thats why and we have rolled over and asked for our tummies to be tickled a bit more even looking at the sole scottish project it is energy related, it is purely investment to harness energy resources it is not in any way genuine capital investment such as teh aray of rail link, tunnels, and airport extensions for teh south east the same applies for the rest of the uk, shale gas extraction development, flood defences - these are either energy harvesting or absolutely necessary all the real economic benefit projects are centred in the south did clyde and co produce the reports for previous years, are these readily available - i'd like to see them too its a scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 ^ Clyde and Co are a legal company who advise firms looking to tender. The NIP is a 20 year plan for the whole UK - so this is a long term spending plan. Amusingly projects have to £50 million or more for inclusion But smaller scale project can be "grouped". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Well discovered haggis_trap. This stuff is McCrone 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 ^ Clyde and Co are a legal company who advise firms looking to tender. The NIP is a 20 year plan for the whole UK - so this is a long term spending plan. Amusingly projects have to £50 million or more for inclusion But smaller scale project can be "grouped". yeah kniow about clyde and co but cant see hs2 on there so assumed this was just a recent report and others exist for previous periods as for the new mccrone, it should be but sadly it wont the subserviant nature of the scottish people has been confirmed and we just do not care enough about these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 ^ HS2 is there alright (under national projects) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You'd think our media would be champing at the bit to highlight the unfairnes of all this. Hey where's Scotland's champion when you need it? Where are all the investigative journos? Good work to you guys though, should be widely publicised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 "The GBP 375 billion pipeline of projects continues to focusupon areas which will drive economic growth (rather thatsocial benefit projects)," Colour me unsurprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 After a wee tip off Wings Over Scotland ran a good investigative article on this subject today Would be nice for the mainstream media to pick up on it one day.....http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-pooling-and-the-sharing/#more-62249 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 "The GBP 375 billion pipeline of projects continues to focus upon areas which will drive economic growth (rather that social benefit projects)," Colour me unsurprised. but how can you drive economic growth in other areas without first making capital investment to attract business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 but how can you drive economic growth in other areas without first making capital investment to attract business Why should the government be driving economic growth? Surely the free market will solve all of our ills? Socialism for the rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 yip : its a double whammy. not only do we pay for HS2. ... the south of england gets the economic benefit of the investment. this isn't just about Scotland. yorkshire, cornwall, wales, newcastle and northern ireland are all getting shafted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) An article read while in guardian stated infrastructure spending in London this year is £2750 per head whereas in N East (England) it is £5 per head why the occupants of the north east aren't on the streets protesting about this i don't know didn't have Scotland's per head figure but cant be much better Edited October 16, 2014 by Bino's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/07/london-gets-24-times-as-much-infrastructure-north-east-england Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Always thought if HS2 from London to Birmingham was such an outrage to rich Tories in the Chilterns they should spend a bit of money in Northern England for once instead, have it make a triangular link between Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham. Those cities would be glad of the investment. No need for it to go anywhere near London. While they are at it, they should move the UK parliament to Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainwull Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Was down in london for the first time in years a few weeks ago. The transformation of that city since the last time I was there astounded me (maybe disgusted me is a better word) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 wings now picked up on this: http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-pooling-and-the-sharing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29779134 absolutely frightening report and just general language used by all concerned throughout it is literally like we do not exist apart from providing 10% of the funding of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Personally think it is great if they are finally thinking of building high speed links across the Pennines. But aye, was watching the 'national' news last night (rare experience, don't have a telly) and it was another country's news. Do most folk even notice the disconnect? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills (or maybe the matrix's red pills) whenever I watch the BBC news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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