Haggis_trap Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) My understanding is that the Torys would need an outright majority at next general election to hold an EU referendum ?UKIP are the only other party likely to back them ?However Lib Dems and SNP are both likely to have more MPs and be the "3rd party" in the UK ?Seems very possible that SNP MPs (should we elect 20+ of them) could the ones that actually make the difference in preventing the EU referendum from even getting off the ground.... Can you imagine the reaction Edited October 31, 2014 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 or they might accept it to cause an England YES Scotland NO scenario....... There will be an in/out ref The English want one and they will vote accordingly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 interesting. so in this scenario the snp hold the balance of power and agree to support EU referendum on condition there's an amendment that says scots can stay in EU (and exit Uk) if ruk votes out and scots to stay in... however, would the tories actually buy it? would they gamble on the integrity of the UK just to get an eu exit for England? Somehow I don't think they - at least the current leadership - really want a referendum that badly. More like they're just pretending and banking on staying in EU all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) interesting. so in this scenario the snp hold the balance of power and agree to support EU referendum on condition there's an amendment that says scots can stay in EU (and exit Uk) if ruk votes out and scots to stay in... however, would the tories actually buy it? would they gamble on the integrity of the UK just to get an eu exit for England? Somehow I don't think they - at least the current leadership - really want a referendum that badly. More like they're just pretending and banking on staying in EU all along. Or the SNP hold the balance of power and veto the EU referendum ? Thus triggering an english independence movement There is a good chance they will hold the balance of power and be the UKs 3rd political party. So it is not an unrealistic potential scenario. It would be a tough call for them to make if the decision were in their hands. I think better for the SNP to play a long game and veto the EU referendum ? Edited November 1, 2014 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I think Camerons game is to fall out with the EU so much he won't need an in out ref as the UK will just get kicked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Cameron doesn't want to leave the EU IMO, it's just posturing to appease his right wing lunatic MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Cameron doesn't want to leave the EU IMO, it's just posturing to appease his right wing lunatic MPs. Agreed. + All those big business types who were wheeled out to say why we are Better Together as part of a larger Union, they are European Unionists to a large extent. If it came to a EU referendum there would be a Project Fear equivalent - businesses threatening to leave etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 Cameron doesn't want to leave the EU IMO, it's just posturing to appease his right wing lunatic MPs. Agree 100% - the idiocy of being held to the sword to hold a referendum for something he doesn't want to do is obvious. UKIP only have 1 MP in the UK ! At this point in time the SNP and Lib Dems should be making tactical connections. For it is likely they would hold the balance of power over a possible referendum ? Both of them believe is a more federal or devolved UK so there is common ground.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The SNP should never talk to the Lib Dems, the 50p sluts like Alexander and Clegg could and hopefully will, not only be irrelevant, but also unemployed next year. It's a sad day when the Tories are the most tolerable of the 'three main parties'. Lib Dems would sell their stance on an EU referendum, just as they sold out last time. They can't be trusted on any level. I used to quite like them, but they are almost as bad as Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The SNP should never talk to the Lib Dems Some things need repeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) ^ IMHO : whilst the Lib Dems "sold out" they also got shafted by the UK political system. 25% of the vote left them with much less power than they should have had to keep the torys in check.If the SNP do return 20-40 MPs they will need to form some alliances somewhere to have any useful influence ? Otherwise we might as well just vote Lab or Con forever ? Edited November 1, 2014 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Agreed. + All those big business types who were wheeled out to say why we are Better Together as part of a larger Union, they are European Unionists to a large extent. If it came to a EU referendum there would be a Project Fear equivalent - businesses threatening to leave etc. This is true. Did you see that Tory mp a few weeks back saying he expected big business to stay out of the EU debate? I mean WTF planet is he on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 This is true. Did you see that Tory mp a few weeks back saying he expected big business to stay out of the EU debate? I mean WTF planet is he on? I missed that - was it a eurosceptic tory? I'm sure the ukippers and eurosceptic Tories are aware what is coming to them During the Scottish referendum they were taking note of the project fear tactics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 I cant wait until Project EU-Fear rips into little England-shire... Some banks are already making noises Hell mend them - they deserve it back in spades!http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-eu-referendum-goldman-sachs-banking-city-503119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Germany 'would accept UK exit from EU' to protect migration rules http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29874392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 http://tvnewsroom.consilium.europa.eu/event/european-council-october-2014-day-2/arrival-and-doorstep-stubb-fi33 This isn't completely related to the EU issue but I found it quite impressive. Finland's prime minister answering questions off the bat in three languages whilst also letting it be known that the UK can go themselves. Can't imagine anything like that from Cameron. Remember that Finland is one of those shite wee countries too that we shouldn't want to be like "for 6 seconds, frankly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Germany 'would accept UK exit from EU' to protect migration rules http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29874392 Aye its looking like there will be no in out EU referendum as Cameron is making sure the UK is kicked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Aye its looking like there will be no in out EU referendum as Cameron is making sure the UK is kicked out. Is there provisions in any EU treaties to kick members out for "being a bit of a dick?" J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Is there provisions in any EU treaties to kick members out for "being a bit of a dick?" J Cmon be fair, he's being a total dick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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