Scottish Players In England

[davew]

Premier League

Aston Villa: Alan Hutton, defender

Burnley: Scott Arfield, George Boyd, midfielder; midfielder; Ross Wallace, midfielder; Matt Gilks, goalkeeper (from Blackpool)

Crystal Palace: Barry Bannan, midfielder; James McArthur, midfielder (from Wigan); Chris Kettings, goalkeeper (from Blackpool); Stephen Dobbie, forward (on loan to Fleetwood Town)

Everton: Steven Naismith, forward; Matthew Kennedy, midfielder (on loan to Hibernian).

Hull City: George Boyd, midfielder; Allan McGregor, goalkeeper; Andrew Robertson, defender (from Dundee United, £2.85m); Robert Snodgrass, midfielder (from Norwich City, £6m). Out - Tom Cairney, midfielder (to Blackburn Rovers, undisclosed fee)

Leicester City: Paul Gallagher, forward (on loan to Preston North End)

Manchester United: Darren Fletcher, midfielder

Queens Park Rangers: Coll Donaldson, defender; Matt Phillips, midfielder

Stoke City: Charlie Adam, midfielder; Phil Bardsley, defender (from Sunderland); Jamie Ness, midfielder (on loan to Crewe Alexandra)

Sunderland: Liam Bridcutt, midfielder; Steven Fletcher, forward. Out - Phil Bardsley, defender (to Stoke City);

Swansea City: Jay Fulton, midfielder; Adam King, midfielder; Stephen Kingsley, defender (from Falkirk, undisclosed fee)

Tottenham Hotspur: Jordan Archer, goalkeeper (on loan to Northampton Town)

West Bromwich Albion: Graham Dorrans, midfielder; James Morrison, midfielder. Out - Scott Allan, midfielder (to Hibernian)

No Scots: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Newcastle United, Southampton, West Ham United.

Championship

Birmingham City: Paul Caddis, midfielder; Denny Johnstone, forward (from Celtic, undisclosed fee); Andrew Shinnie, midfielder. Out - Chris Burke, midfielder (to Nottingham Forest)

Blackburn Rovers: Tom Cairney, midfielder (from Hull City, undisclosed fee); Craig Conway, midfielder; Grant Hanley, defender; Jordan Rhodes, forward. Out - David Goodwillie, forward (to Aberdeen)

Blackpool: Gary MacKenzie, defender. Out - Kirk Broadfoot, defender (to Rotherham United); Barry Ferguson, manager/midfielder (to Clyde); Chris Kettings, goalkeeper (to Crystal Palace); Matt Gilks, goalkeeper (to Burnley)

Bolton Wanderers: Kevin McNaughton, defender (on loan from Cardiff City)

Bournemouth: Ryan Fraser, midfielder. Out - Richard Hughes, midfielder (retired)

Brighton & Hove Albion: Gordon Greer, defender; Craig Mackail-Smith, forward

Cardiff City: David Marshall, goalkeeper; Kevin McNaughton, defender (on loan to Bolton Wanderers). Out - Don Cowie, midfielder (to Wigan Athletic); Simon Lappin, midfielder (to St Johnstone)

Derby County: Craig Bryson, midfielder; Paul Coutts, midfielder; Craig Forsyth, defender; Chris Martin, forward; Johnny Russell, forward

Fulham: Cameron Burgess, midfielder; Mark Fotheringham, midfielder (from Notts County); Jack Grimmer, defender; Ross McCormack, forward (from Leeds United, £11m)

Huddersfield Town: Liam Coogans, forward (from Airdrieonians, undisclosed fee); Paul Dixon, defender; Murray Wallace, defender

Ipswich Town: Christophe Berra, defender

Leeds United: Liam Cooper (from Chesterfield) Out - Ross McCormack, forward (to Fulham, £11m)

Middlesbrough: Andy Halliday, defender

Norwich City: Cameron King, midfielder; Russell Martin, defender; Conor McGrandles (from Falkirk); Ewan McNeil, defender; Steven Whittaker, defender. Out - Robert Snodgrass, midfielder (to Hull City, £6m). ; Thomas Grant, defender (to Falkirk)

Nottingham Forest: Chris Burke, midfielder (from Birmingham City); Danny Fox, defender; Jamie Mackie, forward (on loan to Reading)

Reading: Jonathan Henly, goalkeeper (on loan to Maidenhead United); Jamie Mackie, forward (on loan from Nottingham Forest)

Rotherham United: Kirk Broadfoot, defender (from Blackpool); Michael Tidser, midfielder. Out - Scott Shearer, goalkeeper (to Crewe Alexandra); James Noble, midfielder

Sheffield Wednesday: Chris Maguire, forward; Stevie May, forward (from St Johnstone, £800,000); Rhys McCabe, midfielder; Liam Palmer, defender

Watford: Ikechi Anya, midfielder; George Byers, midfielder; Alex Jakubiak, forward (to Oxford United on loan)

Wigan Athletic: Gary Caldwell, defender; Don Cowie, midfielder (from Cardiff City); Fraser Fyvie, midfielder; Shaun Maloney, midfielder; Aaron Taylor-Sinclair, defender (from Partick Thistle). Out - Stephen Crainey, defender (to Fleetwood Town) James McArthur, midfielder (to Crystal Palace)

Wolverhampton Wanderers: Kevin McDonald, midfielder

No Scots: Brentford, Charlton Athletic, Millwall.

League One

Barnsley: Out - Iain Turner, goalkeeper (to Sheffield United); Martin Woods, midfielder

Bradford City: Out - Jon McLaughlin, goalkeeper (to Burton Albion)

Bristol City: Out - Liam Kelly, midfielder (to Oldham Athletic); Stephen Pearson, midfielder; Joe Bryan, midfielder; Louis Carey, defender

Chesterfield: Out- Liam Cooper, defender (to Leeds)

Colchester United: James Bransgrove, goalkeeper

Coventry City: John Fleck, midfielder; Jim O'Brien, midfielder; Danny Swanson, midfielder; Stuart Urquhart, defender; Andy Webster, defender. Out: Lewis Rankin, midfielder

Crewe Alexandra: Fraser Murdoch, forward; Scott Shearer, goalkeeper (from Rotherham United). Out - Bradden Inman, midfielder

Doncaster Rovers: Paul Quinn, defender

Fleetwood Town: Stephen Crainey, defender (from Wigan Athletic); Stephen Dobbie, forward (on loan from Crystal Palace); Stewart Murdoch, midfielder

Leyton Orient: Scott Cuthbert, defender

Milton Keynes Dons: Out - Matthew Kennedy, midfielder (return to Everton after loan)

Notts County: Out - Callum McGregor, midfielder (return to Celtic after loan); Malcolm Melvin, midfielder

Oldham Athletic: Liam Kelly, midfielder (from Bristol City). Out - Gary Harkins, midfielder (to Dundee)

Port Vale: Chris Robertson, defender

Preston North End: Paul Gallagher, midfielder (on loan from Leicester City)

Sheffield United: Iain Turner, goalkeeper (from Barnsley); Neill Collins, defender; Ryan Flynn, midfielder; Bob Harris, defender; James McEveley, defender (from Swindon); Stephen McGinn, midfielder; Marc McNulty, forward (from Livingston, undisclosed fee); Jamie Murphy, forward; Stefan Scougall, midfielder.

Swindon Town: Out - James McEveley, defender

Yeovil Town: Out - Jamie McAllister, defender

No Scots: Barnsley, Bradford City, Bristol City, Chesterfield, Crawley Town, Gillingham, Milton Keynes Dons, Notts County, Peterborough United, Rochdale, Shorpe United, Swindon Town, Walsall, Yeovil Town.

League Two

Accrington Stanley: Tom Aldred, defender; Kal Naismith, forward

Burton Albion: Alex MacDonald, midfielder; Jon McLaughlin, goalkeeper (from Bradford City). Out - Zander Diamond, defender (to Northampton Town)

Cambridge United: Tom Bonner, defender; Richard Tait, goalkeeper

Carlisle United: Mark Beck, forward. Out - Greg Fleming, goalkeeper (to Celtic Nation), Lee Miller, forward (to Kilmarnock)

Mansfield Town: John Dempster, defender

Northampton Town: Jordan Archer, goalkeeper (on loan to Northampton Town); Zander Diamond, defender (from Burton Albion); Gregor Robertson, defender

Oxford United: Alex Jakubiak, forward (from Watford on loan)

Southend United: Out - Marc Laird, midfielder (to Tranmere Rovers)

Tranmere Rovers: Marc Laird, midfielder (from Southend United)

Wycombe Wanderers: Steven Craig, forward

No Scots: Bury, Cheltenham Town, Dagenham & Redbridge, Exeter City, Hartlepool United, Luton Town, Morecambe, Newport County, Plymouth Argyle, Portsmouth, Shrewsbury Town, Southend United, Stevenage, Wimbledon, York City.

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[davew]

The BBC have just published a report which mentions Scottish players in England

In England's Premier League a total of 18 Scottish players were used in the first six matches compared with 15 last term. This made up 4.87% of the Premier League - up from last season's 3.22%.

That leaves Scotland fourth on the list in the English top flight, behind England, France and Spain. Promoted Burnley and Hull City each used three Scots while Stoke City, Sunderland, West Bromwich Albion and Crystal Palace used two. Scottish players also spent time on the pitch for Manchester United, Aston Villa, Everton and QPR.

Scottish players had more minutes on the pitch in the Premier League than the Republic of Ireland (4.22%), Wales (2.45%) and Northern Ireland (1.53%).

The percentage of minutes played by Scottish players in England's Championship was almost unchanged, from 9.53% to 9.52%.

Also relevant

In the Scottish Premiership, Scottish players spent fewer minutes on the pitch, from 55.66% to 50.78% of the total.

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[morrison1982]

The BBC have just published a report which mentions Scottish players in England

Also relevant

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I would wager the statistical decline of Scottish players in the Scottish league since last season is mostly due to the in-administration Hearts team of last season (almost all of whom were Scots) being replaced by a team in a more normal condition (i.e. either Hamilton or Dundee) this season. Of course Hearts themselves have signed a few foreign players to strengthen their squad since coming out of admin. So the figure last year was abnormally high due to that unusual situation (a team being in admin for a full season).

It's reasonably encouraging that the percentage of Scottish players in the EPL has gone up quite a bit since 2007/08 (from just over 3% to nearer 5%). Although it's still dangerously low IMO. The gap between English Championship and high international standard is too great to rely mostly on players from that league. The odd one here or there is okay to fill certain needs, but we need greater depth and better quality in the spine of the team (centre half in particular).

[Caledonian Craig]

The gap between English Championship and high international standard is too great to rely mostly on players from that league. The odd one here or there is okay to fill certain needs, but we need greater depth and better quality in the spine of the team (centre half in particular).

I don't buy into that for a few reasons. Firstly, a number of those playing in the championship have Epl, Spl and Champions League experience such as Maloney, David Marshall, Berra, Hanley, Whittaker, Russell Martin, Johnny Russell, Craig Bryson, Chris Burke and probably a few more. Also as I have posted elsewhere I judge players on their worth/performances for us not what club they play for. Look back in time and we had players playing at the very best clubs and they never brought that form into Scotland matches - players like Hansen, Gillespie and Nicol of the great Liverpool side, Archibald (Barcelona), McClair (Man. United), Charlie Nicholas (Arsenal), McAllister (Leeds and Liverpool), Charlie Adam (Liverpool) and Michael Stewart (Man. United) to name but a few. On the other side of the coin we have had players not reach the heights of playing for a big club and some not even playing in the EPL who have done admirable jobs for us such as Graham Alexander, Neil McCann, Paul Lambert, Paul Hartley and I am sure I could reel off many more. Besides I'd sooner our players are getting regular first team football than be at a bigger club warming the bench as Darren Fletcher is.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Caledonian Craig

[Tartan blood]

I don't buy into that for a few reasons. Firstly, a number of those playing in the championship have Epl, Spl and Champions League experience such as Maloney, David Marshall, Berra, Hanley, Whittaker, Russell Martin, Johnny Russell, Craig Bryson, Chris Burke and probably a few more. Also as I have posted elsewhere I judge players on their worth/performances for us not what club they play for. Look back in time and we had players playing at the very best clubs and they never brought that form into Scotland matches - players like Hansen, Gillespie and Nicol of the great Liverpool side, Archibald (Barcelona), McClair (Man. United), Charlie Nicholas (Arsenal), McAllister (Leeds and Liverpool), Charlie Adam (Liverpool) and Michael Stewart (Man. United) to name but a few. On the other side of the coin we have had players not reach the heights of playing for a big club and some not even playing in the EPL who have done admirable jobs for us such as Graham Alexander, Neil McCann, Paul Lambert, Paul Hartley and I am sure I could reel off many more. Besides I'd sooner our players are getting regular first team football than be at a bigger club warming the bench as Darren Fletcher is.

Paul Lambert won the Champions league with Borussia Dortmund and played in the Uefa cup final for Celtic.

Also, Michael Stewart never made it past the youths for Man U. You may as well lump Danny Wilson and GMS (Both Liverpool) if you are naming him.

But you make a valid point. Playing at a big team in the EPL is not the measure of ability. As I've mentioned before, there is the home grown player rule in England. So the top 6 are always going to have Englishmen in their team.

However, a bi-product of this is that EPL teams are scouting our youths very early, so they qualify. Hence Danny Wilson signing for liverpool at 18. Swansea have just poached 3 Scots that will count as home grown. As have Everton (Kennedy)

It means that more and more Scots will likely be getting more opportunity in the top league over the coming years. Which can only be a good thing

Edited November 20, 2014 by Tartan blood

[Caledonian Craig]

Paul Lambert won the Champions league with Borussia Dortmund and played in the Uefa cup final for Celtic.

Also, Michael Stewart never made it past the youths for Man U. You may as well lump Danny Wilson and GMS (Both Liverpool) if you are naming him.

But you make a valid point. Playing at a big team in the EPL is not the measure of ability. As I've mentioned before, there is the home grown player rule in England. So the top 6 are always going to have Englishmen in their team.

However, a bi-product of this is that EPL teams are scouting our youths very early, so they qualify. Hence Danny Wilson signing for liverpool at 18. Swansea have just poached 3 Scots that will count as home grown. As have Everton (Kennedy)

It means that more and more Scots will likely be getting more opportunity in the top league over the coming years. Which can only be a good thing

Point taken but again youths at EPL clubs still doesn't guarantee they will go on to make great players for Scotland. I recall a young striker called Robbie Foy (at Liverpool) being raved about because of the club he was at but vanished without trace. Another to disappear it would seem is Islam Feruz who was at Celtic then Chelsea. Michael Stewart at United is another and so on and so on. Look at our side at present and one of the first names down on the team sheet is Anya and he has never played top flight football. Conversely, you don't find many here calling for the re-inclusion of Charlie Adam even though he plays regularly in the Epl with Stoke and has played at Liverpool.

Look at our most potent goalscorer of this century - Kenny Miller. He had very little EPL experience but it never stopped him delivering for us. Also look at Northern Ireland's David Healey - precious little top flight football in his career yet he went on to be a record goalscorer for them.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Caledonian Craig

[Squirrelhumper]

Kenny Miller and potent in same sentence?

Edited November 20, 2014 by Squirrelhumper

[Caledonian Craig]

Kenny Miller and potent in same sentence?

By Scotland strikers standards - certainly.

69 Caps 18 Goals so a goal in just under every four games. Nobody in our current squad is anywhere near that. Ally McCoist would be described potent and his record is only marginally better (61 Caps 19 Goals) and remember McCoist played in teams that were qualifing for majors plus had a strike partner.

[giblet]

Paul Lambert won the Champions league with Borussia Dortmund and played in the Uefa cup final for Celtic.

Also, Michael Stewart never made it past the youths for Man U. You may as well lump Danny Wilson and GMS (Both Liverpool) if you are naming him.

But you make a valid point. Playing at a big team in the EPL is not the measure of ability. As I've mentioned before, there is the home grown player rule in England. So the top 6 are always going to have Englishmen in their team.

However, a bi-product of this is that EPL teams are scouting our youths very early, so they qualify. Hence Danny Wilson signing for liverpool at 18. Swansea have just poached 3 Scots that will count as home grown. As have Everton (Kennedy)

It means that more and more Scots will likely be getting more opportunity in the top league over the coming years. Which can only be a good thing

Michael Stewart did play some 1st team games, remember him and Fletcher starting in a Champions league game.

[Tartan blood]

Point taken but again youths at EPL clubs still doesn't guarantee they will go on to make great players for Scotland. I recall a young striker called Robbie Foy (at Liverpool) being raved about because of the club he was at but vanished without trace. Another to disappear it would seem is Islam Feruz who was at Celtic then Chelsea. Michael Stewart at United is another and so on and so on. Look at our side at present and one of the first names down on the team sheet is Anya and he has never played top flight football. Conversely, you don't find many here calling for the re-inclusion of Charlie Adam even though he plays regularly in the Epl with Stoke and has played at Liverpool.

Look at our most potent goalscorer of this century - Kenny Miller. He had very little EPL experience but it never stopped him delivering for us. Also look at Northern Ireland's David Healey - precious little top flight football in his career yet he went on to be a record goalscorer for them.

I agree, Michael Stewart and some others simply weren't good enough. Though you could argue some weren't given a fair shot.

The positive thing I would say for the likes of Grimmer, Kennedy and the Swansea boys is that they will get first class coaching and may turn them into even better players than they otherwise would have. But there is plenty of variables. Who's to say Falkirk can't produce better players than, say, West Ham.

Re Kenny Miller. He was a bit of a journeyman but he did play for Derby and Wolves in the EPL and in the champions league with both Celtic and Rangers. Playing for either of these teams now m8ght not mean much, but it did when we were standing shoulder to shoulder with The English giants not so long ago

[frazzle]

Look at our side at present and one of the first names down on the team sheet is Anya and he has never played top flight football.

im almost certain he was in the grenada team that played in spains first division,but maybe im incorrect