Clyde1998 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 ...seems to be going well... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) This episode pretty much means I'll vote no in the EU referendum. Assuming I'll vote (likely be abroad) Edited July 1, 2015 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 This episode pretty much means I'll vote no in the EU referendum. Assuming I'll vote (likely be abroad) Do we even know what the question is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 This episode pretty much means I'll vote no in the EU referendum. Yep After reading up on the ECB, the IMF, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs et al and what they have done to Greece i'll be voting to come out as well I think the SNP need to get a new strategy on Europe and quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Do we even know what the question is? Assuming no is a vote to leave the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Assuming no is a vote to leave the EU Thats correct. David Cameron confirmed the 'yes' vote will be to stay in the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Assuming no is a vote to leave the EU I've not really given it that much thought. Very much like the idea of the EU, the reality of it less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I've not really given it that much thought. Very much like the idea of the EU, the reality of it less so. Yeah the more I read about it the less I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 As i've said before, in practice i love the idea of "europe" however the system they have in place atm is just exploitative nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I don't see why a bunch of tosspot criminal bankers suddenly equals the eu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The EU is completely different from the Euro. Greece has been a basket case for centuries....economically illiterate, and rife with corruption, neptism and bribery. It's not the fault of the Euro that Greece is in the state it's in...although the Greeks should never, ever have been allowed to use the Euro in the first place. Economically and financially, they're a medieval country within 21st century Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The EU is completely different from the Euro. Greece has been a basket case for centuries....economically illiterate, and rife with corruption, neptism and bribery. It's not the fault of the Euro that Greece is in the state it's in...although the Greeks should never, ever have been allowed to use the Euro in the first place. Economically and financially, they're a medieval country within 21st century Europe. Couldn't agree more but for daring to voice the truth prepare for....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The EU is completely different from the Euro. Greece has been a basket case for centuries....economically illiterate, and rife with corruption, neptism and bribery. It's not the fault of the Euro that Greece is in the state it's in...although the Greeks should never, ever have been allowed to use the Euro in the first place. Economically and financially, they're a medieval country within 21st century Europe. Dealing with the here and now what the EU is doing to Greece isn't fair and shows what they think of a party who are against austerity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Under the previous government the Greek economy was actually growing - since Tsipras came to power it has been in reverse gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Under the previous government the Greek economy was actually growing - since Tsipras came to power it has been in reverse gear. Id like to see the proof of that Charlie even though there are stats, stats and damned lies I doubt that Tsipras has anything to do with the current state of the Greek economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Id like to see the proof of that Charlie even though there are stats, stats and damned lies I doubt that Tsipras has anything to do with the current state of the Greek economy Edit Syriza have been in power for 5 months You have to be careful with a lot of rhetoric at the moment As Junker said himself - "When the going gets tough - you lie" I see a report in the Irish Times that says It is a matter of fact that when Syriza came to power, the Greek economy was out of recession, the budget was heading towards a primary surplus and there was a real sense that the corner was about to be turned. “Now just six months later, the economy is back in recession, people have stopped paying taxes; the banks are on life support and the whole economy is on the point of collapse. Now i dont know about anyone else but i never heard anything at the end of last year about this utopia that was happening in Greece Maybe another case of economics being put before people or more of the same economic lies that got the previous Greek government falsely into the Euro in the first place ? Edited July 1, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Heard a talk from some financial expert who said that Greece uses a different method to calculate their debt. Apparently if they used what everyone else does including here their debt would be lower in percentage of GDP terms than the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They owe a very large amount of money to other entities. They want to borrow more. If they don't want more money don't agree to the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They owe a very large amount of money to other entities. They want to borrow more. If they don't want more money don't agree to the conditions. Or they default, leave the Euro and float their own currency. Start anew, like Detroit. They will do alright. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They owe a very large amount of money to other entities. They want to borrow more. If they don't want more money don't agree to the conditions. This is possibly the most ignorant comment on the Greek situation going around - not to mention lazy Thats not being personal - its being banded about a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Is it lazy? Take your own decisions and deal with the consequences or play the game if you want to stay in the club. If that is lazy then that is me and the Greek PM in the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Is it lazy? Take your own decisions and deal with the consequences or play the game if you want to stay in the club. If that is lazy then that is me and the Greek PM in the same boat. 1 - Goldman Sachs and the previous Greek Government lied about the state of the Greek economy to get it into Europe 2 - When the banking crisis happened in 2008 the state of the Greek economy came to light and the ECB/IMF had to bail out Greece to avoid the country collapsing and causing a further economic crisis in Europe. Deutcshe Bank in particular has derivatives of roughly £75 trillion which no institution on earth can bail out if they go bust which will happen if Greece leaves the Euro 3 - Greece had to pay back this bail out but because their economy is rotten (see point 1) and was made even worse with austerity measures enforced by ECB/IMF - they cant. 4 When Greece ask for more money - its not money to pump into the economy - it's money to pay off the interest on their debts and to stop them defaulting I will agree with you that the Greeks cant have it both ways - they have to leave the club if they get their debt wiped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So not really lazy just succinct about the choices they face today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 This episode pretty much means I'll vote no in the EU referendum. Assuming I'll vote (likely be abroad) The EU is very different from the Eurozone. I'm sure you will be better informed before you cast your vote though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So not really lazy just succinct about the choices they face today. No its lazy to just glibly say they owe a lot of money and they want more ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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